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I don't really know if talking to people ahead of time is going to help you much at WLRK. You're either in the top 10% of the class, LR, good pre-law school work experience, good interviewer, etc... or you're not. Once you get an offer from there, then ask around about what it's like.

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Thanks for answering!  I thought that was how it worked, but I just wanted to make sure.

So this now spawns another question.  Let's say I want to work in Boston (or some other smaller secondary market) where, according to the "Who Worked Where" spreadsheet, not very many UChicago students worked.  Would it be wasting my bids to put Boston firms within my top 10 bids if so few UChicago students end up working there?  Would it be advisable to place major market firms within my top 10 and place the secondary market firms lower down on my bid list because chances are few students are bidding on them?

Typically yes. If you're dying to work at Ropes in Boston then put them near the top (b/c other people will bid them as well), but then you could put your other choices further down. I think the typical advice is that you'll get everything in your top 10 so choose wisely.

I bid for 20 firms and got all but 1 and I think it was #17 on my list.

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I just wanted to clarify something real quick.  Does the order/rank of your bids have any effect on the likelihood of landing an interview?  (i.e. does putting a firm as my #1 bid increase my chance at getting an interview as compared to putting it as #50?  Or does the order mean nothing?)


No, the order definitely matters. You're likely to get your top 10 or so but beyond that it's hard to say. Order appropriately.

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I'm a rising 1L...I've been perusing this site for a while. I had a quick question about 1L summer jobs in this economy; what is the best way to go about acquiring one? I'm a 0L RA this summer, so I think that should give me a (albeit slight) leg up on my fellow 1l job seekers...I did an NALP search for all of the firms in Chi that hire 1Ls traditionally, and I had planned on personally delivering my resume/cover letter on 12/1. However I think that might be fruitless when 2Ls from UChi are worried about summer gigs...Also, I'm deeply interested in labor and employment lit (I assume Kirkland is the best BIGLAW firm for that in chi), but what are opinions of smaller elite niche firms (say Jackson Lewis)? And what chance will I have of acquiring a 1L summer with one of them? Alas, I look forward to brushing shoulders in the hallways will all of you maroons in a couple of months


The answer is that no one can accurately answer that question until 2L hiring season is done. For this summer very few firms hired 1Ls and unless something about you is truly unique (like your name is Daley) I wouldn't bank on it.

At this point just chill out, enjoy the rest of your summer and come to school ready to work in September. Focus on getting through your first quarter instead of your job search in December.

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And I don't necessarily think that all of the big firms are going to drop out en masse, obviously the larger problem is just (1) having smaller classes and (2) making fewer offers generally b/c acceptance %s are going to be a lot higher.

When is journal stuff supposed to come out?

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Given that firms are dropping out like crazy, I agree; it may be dispositive.

The offices listed as dropping out in the email today employ a combined 2 UChicago students this summer. One of those two people is returning to the firm from a 1L summer (and splitting with another firm).

So, that is one 2L job lost, by my count.


If I understand what Nerfco is alluding to, the 1L student who worked at SS was supposed to return but SS pulled the offer to return in April.

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And the let the OCI bidding begin!

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Yeah, the comp and terms will be all over the place; hopefully it all turns out alright given how 3L OCI is nonexistent.

To the other 3Ls: do you think people in our class are applying for clerkships en masse? OCS is still sticking by their 50 clerkship limit even though H/P/V etc are all allowing unlimited or close to it. I feel like our OCS is stuck in 2004 and is essentially useless.

I'm more annoyed that our school has earlier clerkship deadlines than many other schools.

And, oddly enough, my clerkship app numbers have been getting smaller and smaller over the past couple months.  :-\

My app numbers have been decreasing since I settled on a figure a few weeks ago, but I think you're likely applying to much more prestigious judges than I am. Additionally, if you apply to 50 COA judges, you have a shot at 200 spots whereas if you do 50 Dist or BK judges you're competing for 100 spots (many of which are career clerks anyway). It really is a ridiculous system unless you're only applying COA.

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Yeah, the comp and terms will be all over the place; hopefully it all turns out alright given how 3L OCI is nonexistent.

To the other 3Ls: do you think people in our class are applying for clerkships en masse? OCS is still sticking by their 50 clerkship limit even though H/P/V etc are all allowing unlimited or close to it. I feel like our OCS is stuck in 2004 and is essentially useless.

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Best. Thread. Title. Ever.

I really hope that you guys set the market for what's going down. We're all being deferred (if we get offers) the question is just whether there will be comp involved.

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