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Out of curiosity, since this is a subject you've studied in depth, do schools do this to fill the seats that were vacated because of attrition?

Or do different schools just have different philosophies.

For instance, school X may lose 10% of their 1L class and they go out and get an equal number of transfers so their 2L class will be the same size as their 1L.

Or, maybe school Y loses 10% of their 1L class, but recruits MORE than that number?  Does that ever happen?  The school does this to have a larger 2L class?

Or the other way around, schools just don't care who they lose out of 1L, and they just go with whoever comes back?

Also, it seems to me that most transfers into t14 or first tier schools probably come from the 3rd and 4urth tier.  Is that true?  The reason I suspect this is that if you're doing really well at your school and it's a 2nd tier school, you will probably have awesome job opportunities and not feel the need to transfer.

A lot of what you said is true.  Different philosophies for different schools.  Some schools ranked in the 30's to 50's just want to get a handful of transfers to get their 1L class back to its original status quo.  Some schools, like Georgetown or FSU, however, don't care how many leave per se, and just want to add transfers to beef up their class and revenue (and help their US News ranking).  It really all depends on the school, so that's why we made that chart in our book.  Many transfers into T1's do come from lower ranked schools of students who did very well (top 5%).  However, if you are attending a school in the geographic location you want to live and practice in, and you are in the top 10%, and your school is ranked 50-80 (T2) it may not make sense to leave.  You will most likely receive a scholarship and good job placement in that regional area (transfer students rarely, if ever, receive scholarships).  But remember, outside the T14, schools are regional, not national when it comes to job recruiting and placement.

Updated tables would be incredibly helpful for potential transfers.  I got rejected from a school that was low enough in the rankings that I figured I would be a shoe-in (because my grades were very good).  I was pretty confused, but after looking at your book, I saw that they only took 1 transfer a year.  It was worth purchasing the book for that sole reason (the peace of mind).

Yeah, KJ.  Some schools are very transfer friendly while some are not.  Some schools love transfers (such as Georgetown) while others take only one or 2, sometimes.  Our book is not the panacea of transferring by any means, but transferring law schools is indeed a tricky game because its not like the normal admission process where all schools are trying to fill their first year class quotas.  Many many different factors come to play when a school is looking to replenish its 2L class.  Its also important to look at attrition rates with the schools.

Hey Jimmy, we are in the midst of making a website where we can update the numbers in the charts (i.e., transfer numbers for schools).  That information may change year to year.  For example, I went to the University of Florida which was not traditionally considered a "transfer friendly school," however, now they are.  So trends like that are important to look at.  As for the substantive writing of the book, we do have ideas for a second edition, but that information in particular does not change year to year as much.

If you private message me, I'll send you a copy of the book.  It is also available on for around $12 right now.


I bought your book last year (rather my dad got it for me) and a lot of hit was helpful.  I found the tables with school data to be the most helpful.  Much easier than searching individual school's websites or lsac.

Thank you KJ.  That took the most time.  Constantly contacting schools for their data.  I am glad the book was helpful.

Anyone else in the transfer market these days?  I know grades and rank come out in a month or so.  Time to start prepping those applications so they are specific and on point.

How's the transfer process going for all?  Any questions?  Anyone interested in a free copy of our book?  I have two sitting around.

Thanks Joe.  Seth and I (and Thane) really appreciate the support.  Believe it or not, we wanted this book to be a practical guide that was useful - not just babble law school theory hoping it would sell.  This is by no means a substantial money making book for us.  We really felt there was a need to help students transfer - and change their law careers for life.  Transferring is a difficult process, and certain unknown intricacies can ruin an application.  You need to target an application for a target school for specific reasons - generics won't fly in the transfer game.  If you, or anyone on this board have questions, please feel free to PM us directly.  Going from T4 to T1 can literally change your life, and future.  Good luck to the transfer class!  Please provide us with feedback whenever you can - whether its positive or constructive criticism.  We are out of law school now, we are here to help you to the best of our abilities. 

Transferring / Re: Transferred credits
« on: September 06, 2010, 03:29:32 PM »
Where are your transferring from?  Where do you plan to practice?

All of the advice above is good advice.  To formally introduce myself, I am Andrew Carrabis.  Co-author of The Art of the Law School Transfer.  I am not here to pub my book, but I did want you to know who I am.  Sometimes it makes sense to transfer after your 2L fall semester - especially if you can transfer up AND keep your credits.  Some schools, such as FSU, accept up to 45 credits.  Meaning you can take your 2L credits with you.  However, a certain number of credits must be attained at your transfer school - usually 2/3.  So you may take all your credits with you when you  transfer, but you may need to go above the total 90 credits to meet the requirement of your transfer school.  My mindset is if the transfer up is substantial, you will have your JD for the rest of your life - do the vertical transfer.  Feel free to PM me as well.

Pursuing an LLM / University of Alabama Tax LLM
« on: June 02, 2010, 09:49:29 AM »
Any thoughts on the Alabama Tax LLM.  It is online and is not ranked in the top 10 for Tax LLM's.  Anyone know about it or heard anything?

Pursuing an LLM / University of Miami LLM in Estate Planning
« on: April 01, 2010, 08:03:53 PM »
Got accepted.  Very interested in estate planning work.  Anyone have any ideas on the Miami LLM program?  Reputation?  Job placement?
Thanks in advance.

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