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Studying for the LSAT / Re: TEST PREP COURSES RECOMMEND
« on: June 16, 2007, 12:23:15 PM »
I think that negative reviews of Kaplan are correlated with the fact that the students who pick Kaplan are different from those who pick TM or PS. Kaplan is in your face everywhere, but TM and PS is not, so those who pick TM or PS generally gotta research the LSAT and different courses. So, a person who picks TM r PS has a different minds set and the way they look at the test, i.e. more serious. And when you have a better student body teaching is much easier, and since most mediocre students pick KAplan, when they do badly, they do start bitching about how bad the course was instead of thinking what they have or have not done themselves to improve.

Also, I have not seen any Kaplan's or TPR's prep material, but is it really so different from TM and PS? LSAT is a standardized test, s how difficult can the info presented about the test be?It's like comparing different Math books, they all teach the same stuff, just word it differently.


I do not think so. I think the people who take PS or TM are victims of group think like i was. If you just look at their syllubus you will see you do not get the bang for your buck.



Lessons 8-12 are a joke. They involve the writing sample, pattern games, mapping games and stuff you will most likely never see on the LSAT again.

If someone did the research they would see that  you are paying for powerscore to say the bibles out loud to you in lessons 1-7. THATS IT.




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Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAC Prep Materials Recommendation?
« on: June 16, 2007, 12:17:45 PM »
Super prep is not very good. The explanations are generic. Its a book for people who can not afford to take a prep class. The test are good pratice. But you can find them for free online and a prep course will give you the test.


I think the explanations to begin the super prep book are on LSAC.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: TEST PREP COURSES RECOMMEND
« on: June 16, 2007, 12:08:04 PM »
The powerscore structure is the worst part.


Logical Reasoning

Attacking the Stimulus
The Elements of Argumentation
Analyzing the Question Stem
Logical Reasoning Question Types
Prephrasing Answers
Must Be True Questions
Sufficient and Necessary Conditions
Reversals and Negations
Diagramming "Unless"


Logic Games

General Introduction
Pure Sequencing Diagramming Guidelines
Pure Sequencing Games
 

Logic Games/Logical Reasoning

Logical Opposition and Certainty



Logical Reasoning

Must Be True Question Review
Main Point Questions



Reading Comprehension

The Two Passage Types
Approaching the Passages
Reading Comprehension Question Types
Attacking the Questions
 

Logical Reasoning

Weaken Questions
Cause and Effect Reasoning
Causality in Weaken Questions


Logic Games

Basic Linear Setups
Rule Representation: Blocks, Sequencing, and Dual Options
Basic Linear Setup Games
 

Logical Reasoning

Weaken Question Review


Logic Games

The Principle of Grouping
Unified Grouping Theory™
The Double-Not Arrow
Linear vs Grouping Symbolizations
Hurdle the Uncertainty™
Grouping Games
 

Logical Reasoning

Formal Logic Diagramming
Making Formal Logic Inferences
Formal Logic Problems


Reading Comprehension

Diagramming the Passages
Political Correctness
 

Logical Reasoning

Assumption Questions
The Supporter/Defender Assumption Model™
The Assumption Negation Technique™
Justify the Conclusion Questions
The Justify Formula™
Strengthen Questions


Logic Games

Advanced Linear Setups and Multiple Stacks
 

Logical Reasoning

Assumption, Justify the Conclusion, and Strengthen Review
Principle Questions


Reading Comprehension

Science and Technology Passages
 

Logical Reasoning

Method of Reasoning Questions
Method-AP Questions
Parallel Reasoning Questions
The Parallel Reasoning Elemental Attack™
Parallel Flaw Questions

Logic Games

Circular Sequencing
Mapping Games
 

Logical Reasoning

Method of Reasoning and Parallel Reasoning Question Review


Reading Comprehension

Comparative Reading Passages


Logic Games

Pattern Games
 

Logical Reasoning

Fallacious Methods of Reasoning
Flaw in the Reasoning Questions
Resolve the Paradox Questions


Logic Games

Numerical Distribution Games
Distribution Identification and Production Methodology™
Limited Solution Set Games
Identify the Templates™
 

The Writing Sample

Writing Sample Analysi
The Decision Prompt
The Pro-Con Format
The Decision Prompt Writing Sample


Logical Reasoning

Evaluate the Argument Questions
The Variance Test™
Cannot Be True Questions
Advanced Sufficient and Necessary Problems


Reading Comprehension Review
 

Logical Reasoning Review


Logic Games Review
 







You see after lesson 7 it gets retarded. Why have a seperate lesson for games you know there is a 99 percent chance will not be on the test?



The challange review is retarded. It is just reviewing 33 questions. Big whoop. So the main lessons that are helpful are lessons 1-7.


You are paying 1200 for 7 lessons.



The Kaplan extreme has 30 lessons plus workshops.  I am sure they will throw in some of the odd stuff in there. But at least you are getting a full length course.


Both times i took it people stopped going after lesson 7. And the teacher said after lesson 7 is really not important.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Thoughts on Sopranos Series Finale?
« on: June 15, 2007, 06:46:28 PM »
The whole show was pointless. That was the point of the season finale. There was no goal. No reason for aything.  People killing eachother for no reason.

I guess that was the point of the show. It just ends. There was no plot or conclusion. Just like when he killed Cristopher. For no good reason.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: TEST PREP COURSES RECOMMEND
« on: June 15, 2007, 06:37:55 PM »
Right, but the simulated tests are, indeed, not genuine, right? Meaning, they construct the questions and answers. That's why I showed the Kaplan LSAT 180 problem. It illustrates that they have made mistakes when constructing questions.
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Yes they are real. Simulated test just means they have proctors in the room and say 5 minutes left. They offer you every LSAT question now.

How many different prep classes have you taken primetime joe?

Only powerscore, twice

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: TEST PREP COURSES RECOMMEND
« on: June 15, 2007, 06:23:47 PM »
Right, but the simulated tests are, indeed, not genuine, right? Meaning, they construct the questions and answers. That's why I showed the Kaplan LSAT 180 problem. It illustrates that they have made mistakes when constructing questions.
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Yes they are real. Simulated test just means they have proctors in the room and say 5 minutes left. They offer you every LSAT question now.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: TEST PREP COURSES RECOMMEND
« on: June 15, 2007, 06:02:37 PM »
Kaplans extreme course looks a lot better to me. They have workshops and more simulated* test.

Please read this thread, Primetime: http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,89508.0.html

Granted, this isn't a conclusive case against Kaplan's simulation abilities, but it's certainly a fly in the ointment.

*Emphasis mine.


That is the Kaplan180 book. People get it confused online. Their books they sell are not very good. I think because they want people to take their courses.


They have improved everything. Before they used  fake questions. Now they offer every question to pratice with in order of diffculty. Plus 6 simulated test as part of the course. Plus any additional simulated test with proctors if you want. You just call their phone number. So you can take as many simulated test as you want.



Just go to kaplan.com and compare their extreme syllubus with powerscore or testmasters. They offer a lot more hours and workshops.  It is more expensive than testmasters or powerscore though.


There regular classroom course  seems kind of weak like powerscore and testmasters. I think powerscore and testmasters offer more hours than there regular course.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: TEST PREP COURSES RECOMMEND
« on: June 15, 2007, 05:11:28 PM »
Powerscore is overrated . They do not even offer every test question/ I have their books. The course is not organized well. The last 3 classes are stuff you will never see. Like mapping games and odd questions like evaluate the argument.

So you are paying for lessons 2-7 basically. And Lesson 2 is so basic. ( The basics of weaken and linear games) . Most people got 0 out of the course. But they still get good ratings online.

I think the ratings they get are from people who work for powerscore.

Although I no longer work for PS, I should come to their defense, as you are spreading a lot of misinformation:

1.  They do offer every test question - you have to go to their student website to get the more recent stuff.
2.  The last three lessons include: flaw in the reasoning, paradox, numberical distribution, linear and grouping games (with templates), the writing sample, evaluate the argument, necessary and sufficient, reading comps, cannot be true, etc.  So yeah, I guess you "never" see these things on LSATs.   ???
3.  Lesson 2  is Must be True questions, Main Point, and Reading Comp.   ???
4.  The rest of your assumptions and conspiracy theory is just retarded and not worth responding to.


It is the truth. Its simple. The people who depend on information online are going to get screwed.  Kaplans extreme course looks a lot better to me. They have workshops and more simulated test. To go along with more students and more course hours. I wish i took it instead.But i read the crap online from clowns like Jeffort and Liz Pendes who are LSD dwellers.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: TEST PREP COURSES RECOMMEND
« on: June 15, 2007, 03:54:31 PM »
My classes don't really have time for homework questions either, but I stay after class and give all my students my cell# and email.


What do you teach? PR?

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: TEST PREP COURSES RECOMMEND
« on: June 15, 2007, 03:50:33 PM »
Most people got 0 out of the course. But they still get good ratings online.  I think the ratings they get are from people who work for powerscore.

Does not compute.  While powerscore reps could try to propagandize these message boards, what's to stop disgruntled students from countering them?


I am not sure why. I repeated the course.Everyone thought it was horrible. Just look at the syllybus. There are no workshops. The whole course is basically 3-7.And you have no time to ask questions on homework.( homework hotline) !!!! booo

No one was happy. I thought the first time was the teacher. The second time i just realized the course is not good from start to finish.

Their bibles are pretty detailed and well organized though.


And powersore and testmasters are trying to compete with Kaplan. Kaplan is still king because they go to colleges and attack the markets. So they need to come online to sell their propaganda. I am not sure how good testmasters is. Powerscore is terrible.


They do not even offer you every test question. They givey ou a suppliment book with like 17 LSATs  to go with their coursebooks. Plus 90 percent of their course books do not  have the solutions for each problem.

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