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2L, maybe you are the flame, and you started post to bolster your own flame detecting reputation.

I'm in the middle of exams, sorry, better things to do.  We aren't all AA admits to yale ;).

AA admit, lol

Lighten up, feminine hygiene product

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2L, maybe you are the flame, and you started post to bolster your own flame detecting reputation.

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General Board / Re: Legal Memos have to be written in a day?!
« on: November 09, 2007, 02:54:51 PM »
Most you run of the mill memos wont be as long as 1L legal writing memos either, the issues can be more fine tuned b/c multiple issues problems can be broken up, and you have access to all the firms previous memos though its document management program, making research significantly easier.

However, memos that are forwarded to clients dealing with multiple ussues will take longer, but you'll never have as much time as the 1L memo.

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General Board / Re: Anyone taking the MPRE tomorrow
« on: November 05, 2007, 12:10:48 PM »
a quick question: say that by some miracle i finish with a relatively decent score - can i use that score to satisfy my ethics req for various states or do i have to take it again to waive into another state (i.e. does this thing operate on an 1:1 score-to-state basis?) ?

You don't have to take it again if your score is high enough to satisfy the req.

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General Board / Re: Navy JAG results.
« on: November 02, 2007, 04:55:04 PM »
I feel for you , bro.

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Socratic Method / Re: Speaking Legalese
« on: October 16, 2007, 08:50:41 AM »
How is "ensue" a big/difficult word?

If you want some big words, read an opinion by Selya on the 1st Circuit. Seriously. I have never heard of some of the words he uses.

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General Board / Re: Loan Forgiveness Legislation question
« on: October 11, 2007, 10:57:28 AM »
I wouldn't depend on anything Congress does or claims to do.

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Transferring / Re: CUNY School of Law
« on: October 05, 2007, 09:20:32 AM »
I grew up around the school and took some classes at queens college, so i looked into it when I was applying to schools. 

One advantage of this school for public interest lawyers is that it's cheap, real cheap if you are from NYC, especially compared to the other NY schools. But the facilites remind be of my high school. They had bar passage problems in the past, I am not sure how they have been the last couple years. I would investigate.

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General Board / Re: Taking the bar in 2 states?
« on: October 02, 2007, 09:33:44 AM »
It is realistic, but it will be a pain. Taking more than one bar at a time is fairly common in the northeast.

As to which course to take, you can ask bar/bri. They offer recommendations on which bar review class to take if you are taking more than one bar, then you can order a supplement for another state. I took two and it was not much more difficult than taking one, since a significant amount of your studying will be geared toward the MBE anyway.

One states bar may be generic law (like CT) while another's is more state specific (NY), so you would take the NY class and supplement CT.

Also, you should fund out if one state lets you carry over a previous MBE for a certain time period, so you can take the MBE and one state in July and only have to take the second state's eassy in Feb. Some states (like CT) let you carry over your MBE while others do not. 

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Law Firms / Re: Real deal on law firm life
« on: September 26, 2007, 10:13:55 PM »
FInd out what the billing requirements are at the firms you are interested in, that will tell you how many hours you have to work. A 2000 hour billing requirment is going to run you roughly 60-70 hours a week at work, depending on how much nonbilling stuff you do (like eat, development, firm meeting). 1500 is going to run you about a 40 hours a week, both assuming you take 2 weeks vacation and holidays.

This is exactly why you shouldn't rely on this board to answer your question...ask a real lawyer, somebody in a big firm who actually bills 2000 hours/year.

To say that in order to bill 2000 hours you have to work 60-70 a week is utterly retarded.  Let's say you work 48 weeks out of the year...2000/48 = 41.6 hours/week...so assuming that you bill 80% of your time at work (which is a standard at many firms), you would have to work 52 hours per week.  Some weeks may require 60 or more, but average at my firm is ALWAYS under 60, and sometimes under 50...and its still possible to bill 2000.

Don't forget, pro bono work can often be included toward billable requirements (sometimes in upwards of 250+ hours). Think about that.

Jacy is right, I should say you average around 60-65 a week over the course of a year, sometimes less sometimes more, but to say you can consistently bill out 80% of your time is uterrly retarded.

If your billing 80% of your time at work your either not taking a lunch, an office shut in, at a big firm with no nonbillable meetings (think 3 hour profossional development meeting or name partners 2 hour chamber of commerce speech on asset protection), have no CLE requirments, or bullshiting billables. Either way you are going to be the biggest loser at your firm or burn out after a couple of months.

If you take a 1 hr lunch, a 50 hour week will give you less than one hour a day for nonbillables. Not gonna happen After a coupke of years you can bill more in less time (like  a 6 hour block at court or 2 day trip to another city to attend), but initially, a 2000 year is going to run you average 60-70

Also just because you bill 2.5 on a project does not necessarily mean you will get credit for the full 2.5. A partner is going to approve the amount that will actually be billed. Different firms treat unrealized billables differently, thay may count for perfomrance reviews but not bonus requiremets. 

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