# Law School Discussion

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##### Studying for the LSAT / Feb. 1999 Games#2
« on: May 20, 2007, 06:44:05 PM »
If somebody explains this to me, I would really appreciate it.

The fourth condition says "If it is not the case that the park contains both laurels and oaks, then it contains firs and spruces."

I diagramed it as 'NOT laurels AND NOT oaks -> firs AND spruces'
The contrapositive might be 'NOT firs OR NOT spruces -> laurels OR oaks'

But, the solution says 'if the park doesn't have firs and spruces, then it must have both laurels and oaks.'

I don't understand why the park must have both laurels and oaks when the park doesn't have firs or spruces.

*my second question is, when you say A or B, does that mean either A or B (1 of them)? Could it also include both A and B?

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##### Studying for the LSAT / I'm stuck in the mid-150
« on: May 20, 2007, 04:06:08 PM »
I took my fifth prep test yesterday, and the score was still in the mid-150 range. It was 156. So it went like 153-155-167(untimed)-160(retake)-156
I finished LR bible and LG bible (read them only once), but the LR score is still below 20 and for LG I never got better than 17. If I take LG untimed, then I rarely miss a question, but when I take it timed I have a hard time finishing the section.
English is not my native language, so I expected I would gain some advantage on the games section, but it's not happening.(On the last test, I got 12/24 on LG.) So my question is, how long did it take for you to break the 160 ceiling? We got only about 20days before the June test. Should I take the September test? or go ahead with the June one? I guess I'll be hopefully getting 158 or 159 on the June test. What would you guys recommend to someone like me? (Read LGB, LRB, finished a general prep book, took 5 prep tests, and still stuck in the mid 150s)

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##### Minority Topics / Re: Loan options for foreigners
« on: April 19, 2007, 04:42:08 AM »
Dutch banks are the same as what you say about Korean banks: they give loans, but they have never heard of people needing loans to study in the US.

That sucks, man.
When I was talking to the Korean banker for a loan for US law school, she was talking to me like I was some kind of weirdo trying to take out loans to go to the moon. end of story.

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##### Minority Topics / Re: Loan options for foreigners
« on: April 13, 2007, 06:24:45 PM »
Yeah, I'm an international student, too. Unlike many people here, the biggest concern of mine is money, too, not LSAT score. I've sent like dozens of emails to the law school admissioni depts., some have scholarship program for internationals that is big enough to cover big portion of tuitions and other costs. But, those are not many. some schools have affiliated loan program with commercial banks. Most of law schools don't have such programs, though. So, what I found out for the last resort is deferral. Once, you get an admission you can get one or up to two years of deferral, so that you can work and save some money and get back to school. I'm a native Korean, I asked if I could take out loans from Korean banks for US schools, but they don't have such loans reserved for people like me.

The thing is- I think it's not that different in other countries- that if you don't have money, you can't take out loans, and if you have money, you need not take out loans.

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##### Minority Topics / Re: Any advantage to foreign students?
« on: April 13, 2007, 04:26:24 AM »
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2. you must define rare

I have seen many Korean students applying for LS

3. what does M&A or FTA has got to do with all this?

I am quite certain there is no AA for Koreans

I was talking about Korean students who are straight from Korea, and got full education in Korea. Not Korean Americans.
M&A and Free trade have a lot to do with this. Who's the middle men when companies take over another ones across border? Lawyers. especially American lawyers. If there's lack of American lawyers who can represent Korean companies, then the market becomes inefficient. That's why I'm saying US law schools might have an incentive to choose Koreans.

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##### Minority Topics / Re: Any advantage to foreign students?
« on: April 02, 2007, 12:23:55 AM »
That's what I heard

you get more points for being from a underdeveloped country

I'm not sure if Korea would count as a underdeveloped country. Maybe it's not. but it's still not yet a first-rate advanced country, either. I was mentioning affirmative action for a person like me cause it's still very rare people straight from Korea get into law schools in the US. But, considering US and Korea are doing a lot in terms of trade, M&A and stuff, I guess US law schools have incentives to accept more Koreans. That's why I was thinking maybe law schools may have affirmative actions for a person like me.

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##### Minority Topics / Any advantage to foreign students?
« on: March 14, 2007, 06:26:57 PM »
I found this line from the book, "How to get into top law schools."
"The average scores of minority admittees to law schools tend to be below the overall averages. As a rough rule of thumb, blacks average 7-10 points below, Hispanics 2-4 points below."

I guess this is due to the affirmative actions in the process. Do you think the same goes for foreign applicants?

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##### Studying for the LSAT / No scratch paper in the test?
« on: February 12, 2007, 09:55:00 PM »
I wonder how we can do the analytical reasoning without a scratch paper in the test. I read on LSAC.org that no scratch paper is allowed and we can only use the test itself. Does anybody know if the test has enough blank space? I usually use 2 blank papers to do the analytical reasoning section.

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