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Where should I go next fall? / Re: make a decision for me already!!!
« on: June 25, 2007, 11:42:18 PM »
Nobody said never. You made the positive claim and I asked for the grounds for said claim.

Moreover, per the last post of yours, it does not strengthen your claim that he is qualified. I doubt anybody would disagree with that, as a waitlist is a statement from the school that the person is qualified, but not allowed to matriculate because of space.

The issue here doesn't concern the definition of the term "waitlist". The issue is whether or not the OP is more likely to get off those waitlists than someone who hasn't had as good a track record this cycle. Additionally, although schools make their decisions using their own unique criteria, those decisions are by no means made in a vacuum. Furthermore, if the OP had been rejected by all of the T20 schools that he applied to except for one then I would have argued that his chances of getting in off that single T20 waitlist would have been bad. Fortunately, this is not the case and a pattern has emerged leading me to conclude that the OP is at the top of his waitlists. If you're going to argue against this then please don't say "nothing is guaranteed" because everyone knows that. Please make arguments based on evidence in this case and not on general principles such as "you cannot predict the future". By the way, have you ever noticed how a guy can become a chick magnet instantly if he's already with a hot woman? My theory about the OP being at the top of his waitlists is based on this same principle.

*sigh*

I'm not going to even bother with your nonsense.

OP: I hope you get off a waitlist, if that's what you want. Don't get your hopes up (it's late in the cycle). You are on the waitlist, after all, so there is a chance. Just don't lose sight of the chance and make your decisions with this in mind. Good luck.

Don't dismiss what I have to say especially since you have no evidence to the contrary. You can go F#U*C&K yourself!

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: make a decision for me already!!!
« on: June 25, 2007, 11:28:16 AM »
Nobody said never. You made the positive claim and I asked for the grounds for said claim.

Moreover, per the last post of yours, it does not strengthen your claim that he is qualified. I doubt anybody would disagree with that, as a waitlist is a statement from the school that the person is qualified, but not allowed to matriculate because of space.

The issue here doesn't concern the definition of the term "waitlist". The issue is whether or not the OP is more likely to get off those waitlists than someone who hasn't had as good a track record this cycle. Additionally, although schools make their decisions using their own unique criteria, those decisions are by no means made in a vacuum. Furthermore, if the OP had been rejected by all of the T20 schools that he applied to except for one then I would have argued that his chances of getting in off that single T20 waitlist would have been bad. Fortunately, this is not the case and a pattern has emerged leading me to conclude that the OP is at the top of his waitlists. If you're going to argue against this then please don't say "nothing is guaranteed" because everyone knows that. Please make arguments based on evidence in this case and not on general principles such as "you cannot predict the future". By the way, have you ever noticed how a guy can become a chick magnet instantly if he's already with a hot woman? My theory about the OP being at the top of his waitlists is based on this same principle.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: make a decision for me already!!!
« on: June 25, 2007, 11:12:31 AM »
Yet the number of waitlists in the T20 range that the OP is on gives credibilty to the notion that he is qualified to be accepted into a T20 school.

He's already been accepted to two...

So that just strengthens my argument that he is likely at the top of those waitlists. I'm not saying that he's going to get in but he is a stronger candidate than someone who has not been accepted into comparable schools.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: make a decision for me already!!!
« on: June 25, 2007, 11:04:45 AM »
What makes you so sure he will get off one of those waitlists? You wouldn't want to be giving him false hope. I'm curious, personally and for his sake, what grounds are you using to make that statement?

I am not so sure that he will be accepted off the waitlists but I am making an educated guess based on how well he's done so far. The OP has been accepted by some pretty reputable T1's and has also been waitlisted at T20 schools so this means that he is likely at the top of those waitlists. The number of good schools that the OP is either accepted at or waiting on proves that he is a desirable candidate. Not everyone gets waitlisted at this many T20 schools. Some candidates get rejected by most T20's and may only be on one waitlist from that group. Yet the number of waitlists in the T20 range that the OP is on gives credibilty to the notion that he is qualified to be accepted into a T20 school. I could be wrong though and knowing his numbers would help.

I was going to be more mean but its early ... this is so wrong.  Waitlists are NEVER predictable.  The end.

Who said that waitlists were predictable? I was just pointing out that one should never say never when it comes to waitlists. It doesn't mean that you plan on getting into a certain school but you certainly should take that possibility into account because if it comes around and you're not ready to move late in the cycle, you're done.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: make a decision for me already!!!
« on: June 25, 2007, 10:59:50 AM »
What makes you so sure he will get off one of those waitlists? You wouldn't want to be giving him false hope. I'm curious, personally and for his sake, what grounds are you using to make that statement?

I am not so sure that he will be accepted off the waitlists but I am making an educated guess based on how well he's done so far. The OP has been accepted by some pretty reputable T1's and has also been waitlisted at T20 schools so this means that he is likely at the top of those waitlists. The number of good schools that the OP is either accepted at or waiting on proves that he is a desirable candidate. Not everyone gets waitlisted at this many T20 schools. Some candidates get rejected by most T20's and may only be on one waitlist from that group. Yet the number of waitlists in the T20 range that the OP is on gives credibilty to the notion that he is qualified to be accepted into a T20 school. I could be wrong though and knowing his numbers would help. I'm not trying to get his hopes up but rather opening up the possibility of him getting accepted. He shouldn't assume that he will never be accepted because that could ruin a good opportunity. Either way, go for Emory and if something better comes along then you'll deal with it then.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: make a decision for me already!!!
« on: June 25, 2007, 09:44:19 AM »
I would go to Emory but you're probably going to get off of one of those waitlists so it may or may not matter which school you choose right now. In any event, Emory is very well known and has great quality of life. I also think that it has the strongest reputation but that's just based on what I've heard from others.

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We can put this to rest.  I was mostly just being difficult.  I only singled out USD because it was the one school I knew of off the top of my head that didn't fit the OP's criteria for being on the list.  I have no problems with USD -- if nothing else, we know its future students will defend it with vigor.

Agreed  ;D

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Law School Applications / Re: it begins
« on: June 22, 2007, 06:32:52 AM »
I'll be attending USD but I'm also staying on the Loyola waitlist because I want to see what they would've done.... Too bad that Loyola is out of money because that was my main purpose in staying on the waitlist. I want use Loyola as leverage against USD...

But now that the leverage strategy seems to have played itself out, you'll surely get off the waitlist today, since you realize that some people on the list (like our OP) have a lot riding on getting as quick a response from Loyola as possible, while you're just out to satisfy your curiosity.  Right??

The OP created this thread while trying to decide if attending Loyola was worthwhile. He also said that he stayed on the waitlist to see what Loyola would've done. So the OP and I are in the same boat and by accepting a position on the waitlist I have not prevented anyone from getting a spot. Plus, if the OP is accepted into Loyola he is uncertain about attending since he could wait another year. So we're both doing this for the sake of curiosity. Furthermore, I paid for a decision and I'll wait until I get one.

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My sense is that, the further down the ranking hierarchy you go, the less utility this report has as the employment prospects at firms listed on NALP diminishes dramatically and those recruiting at the lower schools likely seek to employ only the very top students. Anomolies such as Howard may exist. However, I stopped well before them.

I just find it funny that you're trying to display a different ranking system, yet your criteria on who to include is their US News rank.  And then you include a school like Univ. of San Diego.  Not exactly a high to mid T2.  I'm not  trying to hate on San Diego, but their 0.37 firms per student ratio, 1000+ size student body, and 62% employed at graduation rate doesn't sound like they're recruiting much more than the very top students.  I'm glad we're leaving it up to you to siphon out the anomalies.

These statistics are from this year, in which an anomaly occurred, so it's perfectly rational to include USD since its always had much better numbers and a much higher ranking. In fact, these are some weak numbers for USD and yet it was still able to make it into the top 50 here. Use last years numbers or the ones that will come out next year and you will see an even better ratio. Why single out USD? I think it's because you just want to kick a school when its numbers drop.  I don't see you hating on the University of Wisconsin, which is a T1 that compares to USD during its lowest year. If anything, this shows that at its weakest point, USD still had a top 50 student to employer ratio at OCI. I too am glad that the OP is the one dealing with these anomalies since many likely would have overlooked USD's higher status among employers and would have instead relied on this years data alone in highlighting schools. In addition, this entire ranking system is suspect because it only uses data from one year. I think that there isn't enough information here for us to form any conclusion on the job prospects of the schools listed, except for the elite schools. An average of the last few years would have shown a better picture of each schools OCI. I like the idea of using the last 3 years in forming such a statistic since this prevents anomalies from affecting the reputation of a school. This method creates a more useful and stable statistic.

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after all, 98% of all statistics are bull.

And 74% of statistics are made up right there on the spot.

69% of all statistics are calculated while engaging in sexual activity.   ;)  Nice.

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