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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Lewis and Clark or California Schools?
« on: February 13, 2007, 06:15:24 AM »
Iím surprised that this post has received quality answers and I thank everyone for taking the time to respond. I found both tjís and zackdeblancís responses extremely helpful. That does not mean that the conversation is over though. I have tons of questions left to ask but first I will respond to calirestinpeace. Yes, I have looked at the University of Oregon but I do not think itís for me. First, they did not send me a fee waiver. Yet that is not why I chose not to apply. It seems that they are extremely liberal and that is likely not going to sit well with me just as being conservative wouldnít. I prefer a balanced view of the world and it seems I could not get that from them. I hope that Lewis and Clark is more moderate because I am politically a left wing moderate and do not like conspiracy theories from either extreme. I read that many people at the University of Oregon believe that the U.S. government planned the 9-11 attacks and I think that this perception is insane. I hope that this is not the case and was either posted as a joke or is a lie. Anyways, the last reasons for not applying to the University of Oregon was that they would likely have less job prospects than L&S, a worse faculty, and I would not receive in-state tuition. I may be totally wrong on all of my reasoning but this is the same viewpoint I have seen on this site and others given by University of Oregon students and applicants.

Tj, thanks for giving me a reality check. I know that there is no perfect place but I believe that there must be someplace more perfect than LA (a.k.a Portland, San Diego, or Santa Clara). I know that if I choose to study environment law or to live in Oregon that I would choose Lewis and Clark in a heartbeat. My initial response to both of these questions is yes. Yet I have never been to Portland and I have a narrow understanding of environmental law. So it would be very foolish of me to make any presumptions on where will eventually go but I am definitely leaning in Lewis and Clarkís direction. I am here primarily to get a better perspective of what Lewis and Clark is all about. However, I would also like to know what environmental law is all about, what job prospects in Oregon are like for an environmental law attorney, and what the lifestyle of Portland is like as compared to that of California. Also, is the curve really bad? I know that the professors can't have it above a 3.0 the first year but can lower it. So if it were much harder to get a good GPA as compared to another school then that would definitely sway my decision.

Zack, why do you say that if you get into Lewis and Clark that you MIGHT go? I read some of your posts and your scores seem to be below what L&C averages. So, not to be rude, but why are they not good enough (my assumption) for you? Also, itís obvious that ďPortland has a distinctly "Portland" feel to itÖĒ because if it was not the case then the feel would not be named after the city. That sentence just made me confused because you know that I have never been to Portland since I am asking these questions. So this seems to be an irrational comment. Nevertheless, I donít want to offend you or anyone else since your post has been the single most helpful response thus far and I thank you for that. In addition, what do you mean when you say that LA and San Francisco feel more alive than Portland? Are you saying that the nightlife is better in those cities? If that is the case, then I would be fine with that since I am more of a homebody anyways. Yet if I moved to Portland that would probably change because I would actually want to venture outside. Try walking the streets of LA or Riverside; it will drive you insane. At the very least, if I move to Portland, I would just be one more ex-Californian so at least Iím not alone on this. About the dog (Shadow), itís not like I want to take my dog everywhere but I do expect to find a place that accepts dogs since California is extremely anti-dog (and cat) if you rent, especially if they are larger than tiny.

One last issue that I have to consider is my family. They are not going to be around forever and I donít want to leave them but on the other hand I want my own life and I do not want that life to be in LA (where my family has chosen to reside perpetually). What makes this worse is that my mom just had twins in August and I donít want them to not know me, not that I would have much time to spend with them going to Loyola or Southwestern (only if they grant me huge amounts of $$$). So this is a very complex situation already and I have yet to receive my first acceptance letter. I know Iím not unique in having any of these concerns so please speak up people.

P.S. I apologize for my dissertation sized comments.

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Where should I go next fall? / Lewis and Clark or California Schools?
« on: February 12, 2007, 09:26:45 PM »
Hi everyone, I'm thinking about moving to Portland, Oregon if I get into Lewis and Clark for law school (with some money). They sent me a fee waiver and they are ranked 77th, which is higher than half of the schools I applied to in California. Plus they have a monopoly on Portland externships, and have the number one environmental law program in the country, so that is a major plus. Environmental law includes animals as well. So since I am interested in animal rights and the way we use our natural resources this would be a top choice (although I might want to do criminal law so Loyola might be better). Still, even if I get into Loyola Law School, the University of Indiana Ė Bloomington, and the University of San Diego, I might still go to Portland because I always wanted to move up north to get away from the California hustle and bustle. Clean air, green trees, nice people, and animal friendly environment are what I am looking for.
 
The law school is actually located across the street from a 645-acre wilderness state park and is in the forest basically (I can hike, bike, go camping, and fishing anytime). You study in the law library while looking down from the canopy. Plus dogs are allowed in class and in the library according to what I have read from students on Vault. I really like their stance on this. Plus many of the other law schools in California come from a religious foundation and do not appeal to me. So is California really the best place to live in? Since the Pacific Northwest legal market is very hard to get into if you come from out of the region and did not go to a top 14 school, this may be my only chance to go there. How drastic would this change be and would I have a culture shock from the state next door? It seems to me that I have been complaining my whole life about traffic, bad neighborhoods, an unclean environment, the high cost of living, and just recently about not being able to take my dog to places I go to.
 
Now I can probably get into this tier two school with a decent scholarship and have the privilege to learn from the #1 school on environmental law while having my dog in class on occasion. Is this a dream come true of am I missing something like the weak Oregon job market? Any suggestions or comments? I know I am making some serious life choices that will last for at least the next 5 to 10 years. So it is it worth going to a good school but not the highest ranked one you can get into and have worse job prospects in a place you really want to live in? The salary may be lower but I can practice the law I really want to. Plus cheap living costs and a cheap housing market offset the lower salary. So I am most likely going to be stuck choosing between a place that I would be happy at but financially poorer in and a place like LA where I can keep living close to my family and make a lot more money but probably hate it. You must be making similar choices. Please indulge me if you have the will and time. Thank you for your responses.  :)

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