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We can put this to rest.  I was mostly just being difficult.  I only singled out USD because it was the one school I knew of off the top of my head that didn't fit the OP's criteria for being on the list.  I have no problems with USD -- if nothing else, we know its future students will defend it with vigor.

Agreed  ;D

Law School Admissions / Re: it begins
« on: June 22, 2007, 03:32:52 AM »
I'll be attending USD but I'm also staying on the Loyola waitlist because I want to see what they would've done.... Too bad that Loyola is out of money because that was my main purpose in staying on the waitlist. I want use Loyola as leverage against USD...

But now that the leverage strategy seems to have played itself out, you'll surely get off the waitlist today, since you realize that some people on the list (like our OP) have a lot riding on getting as quick a response from Loyola as possible, while you're just out to satisfy your curiosity.  Right??

The OP created this thread while trying to decide if attending Loyola was worthwhile. He also said that he stayed on the waitlist to see what Loyola would've done. So the OP and I are in the same boat and by accepting a position on the waitlist I have not prevented anyone from getting a spot. Plus, if the OP is accepted into Loyola he is uncertain about attending since he could wait another year. So we're both doing this for the sake of curiosity. Furthermore, I paid for a decision and I'll wait until I get one.

My sense is that, the further down the ranking hierarchy you go, the less utility this report has as the employment prospects at firms listed on NALP diminishes dramatically and those recruiting at the lower schools likely seek to employ only the very top students. Anomolies such as Howard may exist. However, I stopped well before them.

I just find it funny that you're trying to display a different ranking system, yet your criteria on who to include is their US News rank.  And then you include a school like Univ. of San Diego.  Not exactly a high to mid T2.  I'm not  trying to hate on San Diego, but their 0.37 firms per student ratio, 1000+ size student body, and 62% employed at graduation rate doesn't sound like they're recruiting much more than the very top students.  I'm glad we're leaving it up to you to siphon out the anomalies.

These statistics are from this year, in which an anomaly occurred, so it's perfectly rational to include USD since its always had much better numbers and a much higher ranking. In fact, these are some weak numbers for USD and yet it was still able to make it into the top 50 here. Use last years numbers or the ones that will come out next year and you will see an even better ratio. Why single out USD? I think it's because you just want to kick a school when its numbers drop.  I don't see you hating on the University of Wisconsin, which is a T1 that compares to USD during its lowest year. If anything, this shows that at its weakest point, USD still had a top 50 student to employer ratio at OCI. I too am glad that the OP is the one dealing with these anomalies since many likely would have overlooked USD's higher status among employers and would have instead relied on this years data alone in highlighting schools. In addition, this entire ranking system is suspect because it only uses data from one year. I think that there isn't enough information here for us to form any conclusion on the job prospects of the schools listed, except for the elite schools. An average of the last few years would have shown a better picture of each schools OCI. I like the idea of using the last 3 years in forming such a statistic since this prevents anomalies from affecting the reputation of a school. This method creates a more useful and stable statistic.


after all, 98% of all statistics are bull.

And 74% of statistics are made up right there on the spot.

69% of all statistics are calculated while engaging in sexual activity.   ;)  Nice.

Law School Admissions / Re: it begins
« on: June 21, 2007, 06:20:04 AM »
I'll be attending USD but I'm also staying on the Loyola waitlist because I want to see what they would've done. I never received this e-mail but I received the reconfirmation form via snail mail on the 8th instead. I assumed they were sending out these forms to candidates that they were seriously considering. Too bad that Loyola is out of money because that was my main purpose in staying on the waitlist. I want use Loyola as leverage against USD but I guess I've gotten enough scholarship money out of them. :) Anyways, you should wait to see what your new LSAT is and if it's higher, ask USD for some scholarship money. Yet if your score is in the high 160's then reapply next year. I wouldn't choose Loyola over USD but I would choose UCLA, USC, UCD, UC Hastings and the like over USD. So I guess your score will change your plans. Let us know how you did and what you decide.

By the way, tell Loyola that you would go. It will give you an acceptance and you don't actually have to attend if your LSAT improves. I told Loyola that I would attend but I have no such plans. I just wanted the acceptance because I paid for it. Enough with the stalling, it's June, time for acceptances off of the waitlist. What do you have to lose by telling them that you're still interested?

General Off-Topic Board / Re: What's So Good About San Diego?
« on: June 19, 2007, 02:59:36 AM »
Don't forget SeaWorld! ;)

You can actually see the fireworks at SeaWorld from the school, which is totally awesome. Also, if  you get stressed, out the beach is only a few minutes away.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Bar Review Course as Law School Prep
« on: June 18, 2007, 05:02:08 PM »
I've also received this advice and I've noticed that all of the lawyers who recommend taking a bar review class prior to law school didn't actually do so themselves. They took bar review to study for the bar and it may have opened up new ways of understanding the law for them. These lawyers may now think that if they had taken a bar review class prior to law school that they would have been first in their class. However, we are not 3L's and are not ready to understand bar review material. Like others have said, taking such a course would only stress one out right before law schools starts. I love it when these old folks give us advice that basically equates to "do as I say not as I do". ::)

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: Waitlisted @ Loyola-LA
« on: June 16, 2007, 05:59:27 AM »
I received an email this morning asking me to reconfirm my interest in attending. Did everybody receive this??

Yes, I received this request but on the 8th and via snail mail. We should be hearing something soon. When I'm accepted I'll bargain for scholarship money at Loyola to use at USD as leverage and then will withdraw to attend USD.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Asking about scholarships
« on: June 16, 2007, 05:50:55 AM »
I wrote a letter like this to Case Western.  I said that I really wanted to go there, but my career goals (public service) and the debt required to pay full tuition at Case were simply incompatible.  I received no response from them, and the deposit deadline passed this Tuesday (I didn't pay it).

So it didn't work for me, but I was pretty marginal to even get into Case at all.

I also wrote several e-mails to Case Western Reserve on many issues and never received any response. I withdrew from Case the day before the deposit deadline so 9K a year has recently opened up. I've also looked on the Case Western Reserve thread and it seems that everyone is getting this same treatment. Case Western is just too busy to answer our questions. I'm not digging that and it seems to have turned many people away including myself. On the other hand, McGeorge raised my offer from 12K to 15K a year without me having to present any other scholarship to them. USD also responded quickly by bring up my offer from nothing to 16K for my first year and then to 16K per year. So it depends on the school, how busy they are, and how much they want you. Case Western Reserve gave me no response and USD couldn't get their increases out to me soon enough. The second time that I asked for an increase, after getting 16K for my first year by using my McGeorge offer, I wrote an e-mail and sent out a letter via snail mail explaining why USD was my number one choice and how the Case Western Reserve scholarship was tempting. After sending out the snail mail letter I realized that USD had already decided to give me another increase and had sent out a letter on the business day following my request, which arrived while I was mailing my letter out. So let your favorite school know that it's your first choice and that you would gladly attend with more financial assistance.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Watch your alcohol use or...
« on: June 08, 2007, 03:37:52 PM »

You're wrong on that.

He went to University of Miami School of Law and was supposedly on the Dean's List.  Also, check out his lame website.  I like all the underlining.

Thanks for finding this.

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