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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Why Obama will lose in the fall
« on: August 20, 2008, 10:27:12 AM »
Getting back to the topic of debate. Did anyone see the latest Zogby poll?  Obama is actually running behind?  How is this possible when you have a bazillion dollars and you are running against another Bob Dole?

A point underemphasized by most pollsters, who, after all, make their living selling polls.  Why would they concede people might lie?  Clearly if latinos lie about their racist attitudes it would tend towards the "i'm not a racist" side of the spectrum and not the "i am a bigot" side. 

From: CBS' Kathy Frankovic: Voters Rarely Lie In Polls, But Sometimes Have Faulty Memories

"It's also true that people sometimes base their responses to questions on what they think the interviewer wants to hear. In the 1980s, some respondents, asked about their support for feminist issues, told different things to male and female interviewers. And sometimes black and white interviewers have gotten different answers when they have asked about some African-American candidates and about racial attitudes."

From:

The New Republic: Distrust Of Blacks Among Latino Voters Could Trouble Obama
by John B. Judis.

Over the last two decades, there has been evidence of growing hostility from Hispanics toward African Americans. Some of this hostility is the result of conflicts, or perceived conflicts, over politically controlled resources in cities and states. But as Tanya K. Hernandez, a professor of law at George Washington, has argued recently, it may also be a legacy of an older Latin American prejudice against blacks that has been transplanted to this country.

While this conflict passes largely unnoticed in the popular press, African American and Latino sociologists have been conducting extensive surveys in Houston, Los Angeles, Miami, New York, and Philadelphia. These surveys have generally found that Latinos display more prejudice toward African Americans than African Americans do toward Latinos or than whites display toward African Americans. In the words of University of Houston sociologist Tatcho Mindiola, Jr. and two associates, "in general African Americans have more positive views of Hispanics than vice versa."

In Mindiola's surveys of racial attitudes in Houston, they asked Latino respondents to describe blacks. Some of the terms that most often came to mind were "noisy," "loud," "lazy," "dropouts/uneducated," "hostile," "complainers/whiners," "bad people," "prejudiced," "aggressive," "angry," "disrespectful/rude," and "violent." Only 54 percent of U.S.-born Latinos and 46 percent of immigrant Latinos approved of their children dating an African American. Forty-one percent of U.S.-born Latinos thought blacks had "too much power." Half thought that "most government programs that are designated for minorities favor African Americans."

Duke University's Paula McClain, working with nine other sociologists, found similar attitudes among Latinos living in Durham, North Carolina. According to McClain et al., "Latino immigrants hold negative stereotypical views of blacks and feel that they have more in common with whites than with blacks." For instance, 58.9 percent of Latino immigrants, but only 9.3 percent of whites, reported feeling that "few or almost no blacks are hard-working."

These attitudes were not confined to working-class Latinos. Yolanda Flores Niemann of Washington State University and four other sociologists discovered among Latino college students the same kind of stereotypes that Mindiola found in Houston. Among the top ten traits that Latino college students ascribed to black males were "antagonistic," "speak loudly," "muscular," "criminal," "dark skin," and "unmannerly."

This hostility of Latinos toward blacks has sometimes showed up in political behavior. While both groups -- especially if Florida's Cubans are excluded -- generally vote Democratic, there have been instances where Hispanics, faced with a black Democratic candidate, or with a white Democratic candidate closely tied to the black community, have voted Republican.

In his 1993 New York mayoral race against black Democratic incumbent David Dinkins, Republican Rudolph Giuliani received 37 percent of the Hispanic vote and only five percent of the black vote. Conflicts between Latinos and blacks also figured in the 2001 Houston mayoral runoff between black Democrat Lee Brown and Republican and Cuban-American Orlando Sanchez. Brown won the run-off, but the conservative Sanchez took 72 percent of the Latino vote.

Could hostility toward and rivalry with blacks be a factor in Obama's abysmal support among Latinos? It's hard to say, but it's certainly possible. And if it is a factor -- and not simply the result of the Obama campaign's inattention to Latino voters -- then Clinton should benefit from this vote in the primaries and caucuses in states like California even if she loses in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina.

Finally, one other possibility is worth considering. Suppose Obama does win the nomination. Would he be hampered by Latino-black hostility in gaining the Latino vote in November 2008? Probably not, because of the Republican party's embrace of a nativist agenda that stigmatizes Latinos. But as Rudolph Giuliani or Michael Bloomberg have shown in New York mayoral contests, if in the future Republicans were to abandon their nativism and nominate centrist candidates who could court the Latino vote, they might find themselves the beneficiaries of this division.


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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Why Obama will lose in the fall
« on: July 30, 2008, 10:53:54 PM »
dude, the right hates Dana Milbank.  he's a bona fide pinko Pelosi lover in their book.
http://www.nationalreview.com/miller/miller200407130823.asp

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Why Obama will lose in the fall
« on: July 30, 2008, 10:42:50 PM »
the first domino?  i'm beginning to think that although the repubs are doomed in congress they might actually take the white house.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/29/AR2008072902068_pf.html


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don't waste another second of your precious puff on the LSAT. once you get into law school no one gives a $hit about your LSAT score. one time a peer of mine mentioned his LSAT score after class....one time. all that wasted energy.  wasted if you have a 165 that is.  i'm not talking about someone who shoots a 155, he should worry, but a 165 should get you into a number of awesome schools. you don't have to go to HYSCCN to have an uber-successful career.  there are probably a number of T1 programs that would give you lots of money to go to their school.  now that would be a coup.  great school, good job prospects and little debt.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Why Obama will lose in the fall
« on: July 27, 2008, 01:28:54 AM »
www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-latino-votersjul25,0,1084688.story

Alfaro said he has noticed reluctance among Latino voters to vote for a black candidate.

"They don't say it, but it is true," he said.


 



This is precisely what I am talking about.  Racism isn't socially acceptable.  Obviously most hispanics wouldn't admit to racist attitudes in a survey.  The professor seems to confirm my initial point which was that hispanic voters will play a crucial role in the upcoming election, a point you disagreed with Miss P.  I think many hispanics will allow their prejudices to speak for them at the ballot box, but they would never admit to not voting for Obama because he is black.  Incidentally, I think McCain might have a far better chance than I initially did after watching Obama in Europe.  What a treacle mess!  And note his poll numbers have actually gone down.  I was completely resigned to the fact that the repubs would lose their shirts in the upcoming election (and in many ways they deserve to) but I think once again the demos might be orchestrating another one of their colossal meltdowns.  glorious to watch.

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dude,in this day and age the fact that you are a URM means you will be golden at just about any school, i'd even apply to HYSCCN.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: SFLSD: Perspicacity.
« on: June 23, 2008, 10:52:29 PM »
incidentally, how pathetic that you guys somehow claim ownership of this sad little website.  why not just IM or e-mail each other? what gives you the right to tell people to piss-off?  is this your website? jesus.  the fact you get so wrapped up in these rooms is truly and deeply sad (and the number of posts you show makes this point).  get a life you zit-faced, sad, bitter little losers.  you are the kids who got their a$$es kicked in school.  life isn't fair and the rest of us don't like you.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: SFLSD: Perspicacity.
« on: June 23, 2008, 10:46:08 PM »
People, people. What's the rule?

Don't feed the trolls.  ::)

I'm sticking with this.

What a repulsive person, though. I'm sorry. I should just let it go. But when he comes in here and spews his  bile, it's really not okay.

i think when you and Irrx spread your bile it's just fine.  how's the officer you're banging?

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: SFLSD: Perspicacity.
« on: June 23, 2008, 10:38:39 PM »
I fixed it.  ::)

i would have chosen "mot de Cambronne". and shame on you for using our people as a cheap political trick to gain sympathy and the moral high ground.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: SFLSD: Perspicacity.
« on: June 23, 2008, 10:34:21 PM »
frybread said:

And, ironically, indigenous peoples who speak a conqueror's language are often challenged on written grammar. 


besides the hilarious contradictions in your reply (and factual errors, you don't know me from adam, i am not white) i would point out that i learned how to speak english when i was a teenager.  no issues here.

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