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I was curious about Newark's murder rate versus total population, so I checked.  It lists that there were 106 murders last year, with an estimated (2005) pop. of 280,666.  That is remarkably high for a city of that size, however, it may be isolated to certain areas not near the law school.

I'm a 30 yr old male non-trad and I'd just like to add a couple of things.  First, my first GPA from eight years ago was HORRIBLE, a 2.2.  I re-entered school in 2004 for a 2nd bachelor's degree (30 cred. program), and have a 3.6.  I was hoping that many of the schools I applied to would recognize the improvement and use the current GPA when looking at my application.  Guess what?  They didn't.

Most schools told me that they considered the 2nd BA as grad work, which is not bad per se, but did not overcome my weak undergrad years from a decade ago.  FWIW, I also have a ton of WE and volunteering.

So in essence, I think that for an older student, it's all in the LSAT.  I got into Albany because my score was within their median, and given that, they probably were somewhat willing to overlook my old GPA (although that factor ensured that I'd get NO scholarship money).  Suffolk was a little less forgiving, and put me on the WL.  Beyond that, rejected from Depaul, NYLS, Rutgers Newark, and on and on.  Now, had my LSAT been a 160+, the afforementioned schools may have given me a chance.  But that just reinforces my point.  For an older student with a weak GPA from LOOONG AGO, it's all about those crucial five hours with the scantron sheet.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Albany v. Pace ($)
« on: April 11, 2007, 11:35:41 AM »
Well, I'm going to ALS, FWIW.  I've talked to many attorneys in the NYC & Boston area ( is the greatest, BTW), who all spoke well of their experience there, and said that they got into NYC just fine (top 15%).  The cost does suck, but I'm working hard this summer to lower the amount of COL loans I need to take out.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Suffolk or Franklin Pierce?
« on: April 10, 2007, 11:53:18 AM »
I'm a big Suffolk booster...just talked to a partner at a large Boston firm the other day who says he's consistently impressed by Suffolk grads, far more than Northeastern grads, in fact.  Brand new building, great moot court, great network.  Anyone who tells you different either aren't from New England so they don't see it for themselves, or they can't get their tiny little heads out of the USNWR propoganda machine.

So in short, I vote Suffolk. ;)

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: New York Law School??
« on: April 10, 2007, 11:16:52 AM »
Also, think about cost...NYLS is 39K a year, and along with NYC COL, you're looking at a cool 180K in debt.  It'd be one thing if the school was priced along the lines of, say, CUNY, which is around 15K/yr specifically so it can encourage its grads to go into Public Interest (and does very well in that regard, I might add).

Maybe I'm wrong, but at that price tag I wouldn't touch NYLS.  I'm planning on going to Albany, which is almost the same amount of tuition, but with a waaay lower COL, not to mention that I think it's a much better school.

i find the degree of agonizing here bewildering.  Northwestern is an exceptional school with insane-o job prospects all over the country.  when you add that 1. he's unsure if he wants to be an attorney and 2. he get's to go to a T14 school for free, you should immediately suspect a he's been lobotomized if he elects HLS. 

Insane-O.  That's the word I was looking for.  Exactly.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Depaul or Howard
« on: April 09, 2007, 03:43:27 PM »
No doubt.

Well, sure, I'm not saying he's committed to law for the rest of his natural life, but even four or five years of 70 hours a week at a big firm is rather undesirable to someone who has no interest in doing that, don't you think?

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Depaul or Howard
« on: April 09, 2007, 03:35:06 PM »
Irrespective of racial issues, I think it's important to bear in mind that DePaul has a good chance of improving it's ranking again next year.  The students applying this cycle were applying to a T2 on the rise, and all the materials they sent me really highlighted this fact.  The '09 class (whose numbers deeply affected the current ranking) were applying to a T3 in a town with 2 T14's and 2 T2's (too-tee-too-tee-too!), whereas now applicants might consider them more evenly with Kent and Loyola.

I don't think there's any difference at all between a school ranked #91 on USNWR and a tier 3 with a historic reputation in one of the most competitive legal markets in the country.  After the top 30 or 40, it's all in the network and in your grades.

Although it would be a dream to be able to attend HLS, I cannot overstate the significance of a FREE education at a school that's still in the top 14.  ESPECIALLY considering the fact that he's not sure if he wants to actually practice law or not.  With 150K in debt, he may end up with no choice but to practice law.

If it were between HLS and a tier-2 or 3, I'd say HLS.  In this case, I say NW, no question.

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