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I have a good friend who was offered 75K at Suffolk, 25K at Northeastern, and wishes to stay in Boston...after researching their respective networks in Boston, visiting the schools, sitting in on some classes (civ pro with Joe Glannon!), and judging the grades/class rank/law review situation, she chose Suffolk hands down...frankly, I think Suffolk's a much better law school, and on the rise.

Northeastern's great advantage, I think, is the non-competitive enviroment coupled with the basic assurance that you should be able to land a job based on the high number of co-ops that you do.  But the lack of a GPA, coupled with the fact that you don't interact with students as much since you're all off on your co-ops instead of in class with each other, makes me a bit skittish.  I think my friend made an excellent choice, frankly.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Best top 30 transfer schools?
« on: July 20, 2007, 03:33:11 AM »
Seriously, if you can manage being top 10 people in your class at a T3, you might have better prospects just staying. Of course this depends on where the school is. Assuming the school is a decent sized legal market, top 10 people will probably get you a better job in that city, than say top 30% at a T25 that is far away. Of course if you donít want to live there, then itís not worth it.

Iím at a T2, and my study partners are 3 of the top 5 people in my class, they are not competing with anyone else for the top jobs in our city (t14 or otherwise, remember many of those schools donít rank), they are 100% for offers for everyplace they have interviewed with. Being numbers 1-5 at any school is an incredible accomplishment. If you can land on the top 5-10 people in your class at a school with a harsh curve, youíre a pretty impressive candidate to local big law or otherwise. Being the big fish in a small pond can pay well, assuming youíre willing to stay local. 

I'm not sure that this always holds, tho - at least not in Albany (which iirc is where the OP is headed?)  A good friend of mine just graduated from Albany in the top 10 (people, not %.)  On LR, good work experience, etc.  He wanted to stay in Albany, so he was only applying to regional firms.  He had a HELL of a time landing a job and it was pretty grim for a while.  If you end up with the #s to transfer into a T14 (and it makes sense for you otherwise), it's probably worth pursuing. 

Of course:
1. this is one example and purely anecdotal, so treat it as such
2. I adore him, but for all I know he's a bad interviewee or something
3. this doesn't detract from the fact that Matthies is 100% right - landing on the top of that curve is a very big deal and not to be sneered at
4. everything worked out for my friend in the end; he got his Albany job and all's well, etc.

Thanks...FYI, I am indeed going to ALS, and it seems like a fine school, especially for govt. law...  I hope that your friend had a great experience there.

I just have this feeling that CERTAIN jobs are only available to the grads of elite schools, even if they weren't high in their class.  It kills me to think that someone gets to practice civil rights law in the Justice Department, for example, just because they went to GULC or GW or Penn, while someone in the top 10% at Albany shouldn't even bother applying.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Best top 30 transfer schools?
« on: July 20, 2007, 03:28:57 AM »
to address one part of the OP's question, someone had posted this previously. The first # is the amt of 2L transfers and the second must have been the initial class size...


Increases Class Size by over 20%
Illinois (41) (184)
Washington/St. Louis (51) (241)

Increases Class Size by over 15%
Northwestern (40) (233)
Georgetown (100) (587)

Increases Class Size by over 10%

W&L (18) (125)
Boalt (37) (268)
Emory (28) (207)
Vanderbilt (24) (190)
NYU (51) (444)
UCLA (38) (336)
Columbia (41) (383)
Penn (25) (248)
Michigan (37) (370)

Increases Class Size between 8% and 10%
Cornell (18) (187)
Chicago (18) (192)
Virginia (34) (373)
Fordham (38) (470)
Notre Dame (16) (198)

Increases Class Size between 5% and just under 10%
Stanford (12) (171)
BC (17) (254)
Harvard (34) (557)
W&M (13) (215)
GW (33) (558)
Minnesota (15) (257)

Increases Class Size by under 5%
Duke (10) (205)
Yale (9) (191)
Washington ( 8 ) (179)
USC (9) (214)
Wisconsin (11) (306)
Texas (14) (440)
BU (6) (269)
Iowa (4) (210)
UNC (4) (229)

Absolutely...I was especially thinking of Wisconsin, yet found out that they only accept about 10-12 transfer students a year...Not to mention: imagine the stress of finding out in mid-august that you got in, and having to a place to live in like A WEEK or something, esp. if you're in NY and your dream school is thousands of miles away. Gives me the jitters.

Thanks for all the info..I must add: I have yet to even start my 1L...kinda seems like the cart's a bit before the horse at this point.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Best top 30 transfer schools?
« on: July 19, 2007, 03:02:10 PM »
the easiest schools to transfer into are, as a general matter, those with the largest transfer classes. so, gulc, cls, and nyu. of course, everyone wants to transfer into cls and nyu (most transfer applicants don't really have a shot at hys), so that obviously affects your chances.

edit: what i mean here is basically a lot of this is just supply and demand, same as regular admissions.

Thanks...Incidentally, there's an entire Yahoo! group devoted to this.  It makes LSD look like a ghosttown.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Best top 30 transfer schools?
« on: July 18, 2007, 06:01:39 PM »
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume the top publics are going to be less numbers focused, and more willing to reward demonstrated effort.

A very interesting point...So Berklee (public) would be easier than, say, Penn (private).  However, the public schools' residency requirements might counteract that theory.

Where should I go next fall? / Best top 30 transfer schools?
« on: July 18, 2007, 05:55:50 PM »
Just curious...Does anyone have any info on how a 1L who does very well first year (top 10-15 %) fares at a transfer to a t14 school?  I've heard that Harvard or NYU is near impossible, as they look at LSAT scores, even though you've already completed your 1L.

Anyone know which ones are more likely to give transfers a chance?  At top 10% in a tier 3, does it even matter?

Where should I go next fall? / Re: 153 3.13, what do you think?
« on: July 16, 2007, 02:50:58 PM »
A 153 and a 3.13 should put you in the running for: Albany, CUNY, NY LAW, Quinnipiac, Widener, Suffolk (tho maybe only part-time), NESL, Franklin Pierce, Western New England, U Vermont, U Maine, Roger Williams, and the like.

Are these T14 schools? No.  Do many of them still offer a solid legal education?  Absolutely...Suffolk, Albany, and CUNY (for PI) are excellent within their respective tiers.

You shouldn't judge your ability to succeed in law by the LSAT.  Don't let these assholes tell you different.  I got a 155, and would jump at the chance to go to a T14, but not being able to do so isn't dissuading me, nor should it you.  Also: remember (but don't rely on) the possibility of transferring up.  An intern of mine moved from Southern New England School of Law (un accredited) to American.  Not bad...

Where should I go next fall? / Re: where should I apply
« on: July 07, 2007, 12:49:32 PM »

Well, as the above post confirms, I checked with ALS, and the Exam Soft is not compatible with Macs.  HOWEVER, what if I were to install Windows on my Mac, just for exam time?  Would Exam Soft work in that case?

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Albany Law 2010 thread
« on: June 28, 2007, 06:34:31 PM »
You don't get to pick any classes until your second year, but actually I'm pretty grateful for that.  There are definitely some professors who are better than others, but most are decent. 

Yeah, I'm not sure if other schools also keep their students from picking their 1L sections.

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