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Hi; my pick is Suffolk over NESL.  My friend is very pleased there.  However, beware because the curve is rough and if the $$$ depends on a certain class rank you may lose it if you're not at a certain GPA.

Remember:  Lower rank does not nec. mean easier curriculum.  Most people here don't know what they're talking about.

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Lower ranked boston schools...
« on: January 01, 2008, 05:25:34 PM »

As far as rep, Northeastern over Suffolk anyday.

I am from RI and would agree that Suffolk is better than NESL.  It has a vicious curve like most t3 and t4 law schools, but that's how it goes.

Northeastern is ranked higher, but whether it's regarded more highly in boston is debatable.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: 3.71, 160, URM..ADVICE?
« on: November 09, 2007, 09:25:41 AM »
Uh, UW's 25th percentile LSAT is at 158, saying that a 160 URM with a good GPA is an extreme reach at that school is, well, plain and simple wrong. Iowa at 24, their 25th is 158 as well. Top 20 is becoming a reach, but even at schools like BU, WUSTL and UT you have a shot as URM. It's a reach yes, but weirder things have happened.

I hear ya, but also remember that UW and UIowa are state schools; many have minimum resident enrollment.  UW's is 50%.  That's why the LSAT medians are lower than normal for that rank. 

Been fun talking, but I am a 1L and am slacking.  Good luck to all!

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: 3.71, 160, URM..ADVICE?
« on: November 09, 2007, 09:12:58 AM »
Big Reach at a 40-ish school like American, Case Western, etc

I hate responding to these "here are my numbers, what are my chances?" threads because people really need to do some independent research, but I wanted to add that the insight quoted above seems extremely pessimistic. Even without URM status, your numbers should give you a pretty good shot at a school like Case Western. I would heed VirusNY's advice about shooting much higher than the first responder suggested.

OK, fair.  I maybe glossed the URM thing a bit (damn that Supreme Court).  mOve everthing I said up a tier.  I still think that a 160 makes a top 30 an extreme reach though.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: 2.99 GPA 157 LSAT Critique my list
« on: November 09, 2007, 08:14:55 AM »
You should get in a Suffolk.  Considered Albany?  Good schools.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: 3.71, 160, URM..ADVICE?
« on: November 09, 2007, 08:13:09 AM »
in like Flynn at any tier three, save maybe Catholic.

Fair shot at any school in tier 2 (rutgers, Dt John's, Villanova).  Big Reach at a 40-ish school like American, Case Western, etc

To vague:  where do you want to study law/practice?

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Georgia State vs. Emory
« on: October 30, 2007, 08:39:05 AM »
Thanks for all the help guys!  Well, the most important factors for me to go to GSU is that a) I want to stay in Atlanta b) I have NO want to go into Big Law and c) I am poor.  I will still keep emory as a contender, but there are just so many pluses to GSU.  I have a good chance at a full scholarship, I would probably succeed more there as opposed to Emory, they have incredible externships w/ judges and DA's offices (I want to be a prosecutor for a while after I pass the BAR.  Well if anyone has any more insights, please do tell, but you all have been wonderful! ;) ;)

Couple of thoughts:

If PI/prosecutorial work is your goal, and you wish to stay in Atlanta, and you are poor, Emory over Georgia State might be a big mistake. As a 1L, let me give you my reasons why.

First.  Once you get out of the top 40, law schools are completely regional in nature.  If you go to Temple, you will start out in Philly, if you go to U. Oregon, you will start out in the NW, Depaul, start in Chicago, Suffolk start in southern NE, etc...  If you know for sure you want to stay in Atlanta for the first few years, it makes little difference whether you go to a top 30 school or not, provided that Georgia State is well-respeted, which I believe it is.

Second, The biggest obstacle to PI work is not pedigree of school, it's debt.  Plain and simple.  You cannot rack up 150K in loans, which adds up to about $1500 per month after graduation, on a salary of 45K or 50K, even with LRAP, the details of which can be deceiveing ("up to 10K a yr" means you DON'T actually get 10K).  The math simply does not work.  That's why free rides are such a great thing

That being said, don't for a minute think that higher ranked schools are tougher; often the opposite is true.  Tier 2s and 3s (like mine) have a much harsher grading curve than at Tier 1s...this is one of the reasons that getting in is the hard part.  Harvard has something like a b+ curve!  Their legal writing class is pass/fail...C'mon!  My school (Albany) has a b-/C+ curve and is therefore it is VERY difficult to get all A's.  But employers are starting to realize that grads from my school really hit the ground running, as opposed to Yale kids who can barely open a book.

That's my two cents...Be wary of this site because most of these testimonials are written by well-meaning kids who nonetheless HAVE NOT YET BEEN TO LAW SCHOOL...they honestly have no idea, no offense to them.  But they will learn...mmmwwwuuuhahahaha!!!

I'm a 2L at NUSL.  Northeastern will be changing their grading system.  There will continue to be narrative evaluations in addition to a single descriptor (Fail, Marginal Pass, Pass, Honors, High Honors) for upper year classes that then get put on a 1-pg cover letter for your official transcript. I don't think it will become effective until the class entering 2008 though.

There is also a journal in the works, the online "NU Forum" for progressive lawyers/professors.  I believe they are aiming to "publish" the first one next year.  I don't know too many details, but I don't think that membership selection will follow the traditional law review competition format that most other schools have. 

My take, there is no best answer.  There are different fields of law where Suffolk or Northeastern might be better than the other (I know that Northeastern is better for my particular specialty), but it's hard to generalize and say that one school is more advantageous overall.  I think a lot depends on what you want to do with your degree and what type of student environment you want to be in. 

No question...I wasn't saying NE is a bad school or anything...Actually I have a very liberal, laid-back friend who chose BU over NE, and ended up dropping out after 1st semester...perhaps law school wasn't for him after all, but he just HATED the high degree of competition at BU, which I hear is a problem at that school...perhaps if he attended Northeastern, it wouldn't have been a factor.

I have a good friend who was offered 75K at Suffolk, 25K at Northeastern, and wishes to stay in Boston...after researching their respective networks in Boston, visiting the schools, sitting in on some classes (civ pro with Joe Glannon!), and judging the grades/class rank/law review situation, she chose Suffolk hands down...frankly, I think Suffolk's a much better law school, and on the rise.

Northeastern's great advantage, I think, is the non-competitive enviroment coupled with the basic assurance that you should be able to land a job based on the high number of co-ops that you do.  But the lack of a GPA, coupled with the fact that you don't interact with students as much since you're all off on your co-ops instead of in class with each other, makes me a bit skittish.  I think my friend made an excellent choice, frankly.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Best top 30 transfer schools?
« on: July 20, 2007, 12:33:11 AM »
Seriously, if you can manage being top 10 people in your class at a T3, you might have better prospects just staying. Of course this depends on where the school is. Assuming the school is a decent sized legal market, top 10 people will probably get you a better job in that city, than say top 30% at a T25 that is far away. Of course if you donít want to live there, then itís not worth it.

Iím at a T2, and my study partners are 3 of the top 5 people in my class, they are not competing with anyone else for the top jobs in our city (t14 or otherwise, remember many of those schools donít rank), they are 100% for offers for everyplace they have interviewed with. Being numbers 1-5 at any school is an incredible accomplishment. If you can land on the top 5-10 people in your class at a school with a harsh curve, youíre a pretty impressive candidate to local big law or otherwise. Being the big fish in a small pond can pay well, assuming youíre willing to stay local. 

I'm not sure that this always holds, tho - at least not in Albany (which iirc is where the OP is headed?)  A good friend of mine just graduated from Albany in the top 10 (people, not %.)  On LR, good work experience, etc.  He wanted to stay in Albany, so he was only applying to regional firms.  He had a HELL of a time landing a job and it was pretty grim for a while.  If you end up with the #s to transfer into a T14 (and it makes sense for you otherwise), it's probably worth pursuing. 

Of course:
1. this is one example and purely anecdotal, so treat it as such
2. I adore him, but for all I know he's a bad interviewee or something
3. this doesn't detract from the fact that Matthies is 100% right - landing on the top of that curve is a very big deal and not to be sneered at
4. everything worked out for my friend in the end; he got his Albany job and all's well, etc.

Thanks...FYI, I am indeed going to ALS, and it seems like a fine school, especially for govt. law...  I hope that your friend had a great experience there.

I just have this feeling that CERTAIN jobs are only available to the grads of elite schools, even if they weren't high in their class.  It kills me to think that someone gets to practice civil rights law in the Justice Department, for example, just because they went to GULC or GW or Penn, while someone in the top 10% at Albany shouldn't even bother applying.

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