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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Albany Law School
« on: April 01, 2008, 10:50:31 PM »
I'm currently a 1L at Albany and have this to say:

PRO:

1. Great professors, great career center
2. Tons of internship opportunities; good clinics; field placement, etc...
3. Well-respected in the region
4. For private, it's one of the lesser-priced law schools in NY, esp. considering the low COL
5. Decent town

CON:

1. Like most T3, be in the top 10 to 20% for prestigious (read: ADA or clerkship) or high-paying gigs, or gigs in NYC.
2. Tuition goes up a bit every year (like most schools, I suppose)
3. B- to C+ curve first year (this is ROUGH)

That being said, the leaps and bounds this school has made in the past several years is amazing.  It's 75% LSAT several years ago is now its 25% LSAT.  That's akin to moving mountains.  The office of enrollment feels that in terms of what the school offers, it's actually a better school than some of its NYC competitors, but that its location holds it back rank wise. It's on the verge of T2, I think.

Hope this helps.

I'm trying to understand how curves work, and I just visited ALS this week, and my tour guide said that it had a B- C+ curve as well... What does this mean?  Is this like a bell curve where the majority get C+s and B-s and the rest taper off on both sides?

Exactly.  The curve is less harsh in your 2L & 3L year.



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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Albany Law School
« on: March 20, 2008, 10:34:38 AM »
I'm currently a 1L at Albany and have this to say:

PRO:

1. Great professors, great career center
2. Tons of internship opportunities; good clinics; field placement, etc...
3. Well-respected in the region
4. For private, it's one of the lesser-priced law schools in NY, esp. considering the low COL
5. Decent town

CON:

1. Like most T3, be in the top 10 to 20% for prestigious (read: ADA or clerkship) or high-paying gigs, or gigs in NYC.
2. Tuition goes up a bit every year (like most schools, I suppose)
3. B- to C+ curve first year (this is ROUGH)

That being said, the leaps and bounds this school has made in the past several years is amazing.  It's 75% LSAT several years ago is now its 25% LSAT.  That's akin to moving mountains.  The office of enrollment feels that in terms of what the school offers, it's actually a better school than some of its NYC competitors, but that its location holds it back rank wise. It's on the verge of T2, I think.

Hope this helps.

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Hi; my pick is Suffolk over NESL.  My friend is very pleased there.  However, beware because the curve is rough and if the $$$ depends on a certain class rank you may lose it if you're not at a certain GPA.

Remember:  Lower rank does not nec. mean easier curriculum.  Most people here don't know what they're talking about.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Lower ranked boston schools...
« on: January 01, 2008, 08:25:34 PM »

As far as rep, Northeastern over Suffolk anyday.


I am from RI and would agree that Suffolk is better than NESL.  It has a vicious curve like most t3 and t4 law schools, but that's how it goes.

Northeastern is ranked higher, but whether it's regarded more highly in boston is debatable.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: 3.71, 160, URM..ADVICE?
« on: November 09, 2007, 12:25:41 PM »
Uh, UW's 25th percentile LSAT is at 158, saying that a 160 URM with a good GPA is an extreme reach at that school is, well, plain and simple wrong. Iowa at 24, their 25th is 158 as well. Top 20 is becoming a reach, but even at schools like BU, WUSTL and UT you have a shot as URM. It's a reach yes, but weirder things have happened.

I hear ya, but also remember that UW and UIowa are state schools; many have minimum resident enrollment.  UW's is 50%.  That's why the LSAT medians are lower than normal for that rank. 

Been fun talking, but I am a 1L and am slacking.  Good luck to all!

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: 3.71, 160, URM..ADVICE?
« on: November 09, 2007, 12:12:58 PM »
Big Reach at a 40-ish school like American, Case Western, etc

I hate responding to these "here are my numbers, what are my chances?" threads because people really need to do some independent research, but I wanted to add that the insight quoted above seems extremely pessimistic. Even without URM status, your numbers should give you a pretty good shot at a school like Case Western. I would heed VirusNY's advice about shooting much higher than the first responder suggested.

OK, fair.  I maybe glossed the URM thing a bit (damn that Supreme Court).  mOve everthing I said up a tier.  I still think that a 160 makes a top 30 an extreme reach though.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: 2.99 GPA 157 LSAT Critique my list
« on: November 09, 2007, 11:14:55 AM »
You should get in a Suffolk.  Considered Albany?  Good schools.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: 3.71, 160, URM..ADVICE?
« on: November 09, 2007, 11:13:09 AM »
in like Flynn at any tier three, save maybe Catholic.

Fair shot at any school in tier 2 (rutgers, Dt John's, Villanova).  Big Reach at a 40-ish school like American, Case Western, etc

To vague:  where do you want to study law/practice?

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Georgia State vs. Emory
« on: October 30, 2007, 11:39:05 AM »
Thanks for all the help guys!  Well, the most important factors for me to go to GSU is that a) I want to stay in Atlanta b) I have NO want to go into Big Law and c) I am poor.  I will still keep emory as a contender, but there are just so many pluses to GSU.  I have a good chance at a full scholarship, I would probably succeed more there as opposed to Emory, they have incredible externships w/ judges and DA's offices (I want to be a prosecutor for a while after I pass the BAR.  Well if anyone has any more insights, please do tell, but you all have been wonderful! ;) ;)

Couple of thoughts:

If PI/prosecutorial work is your goal, and you wish to stay in Atlanta, and you are poor, Emory over Georgia State might be a big mistake. As a 1L, let me give you my reasons why.

First.  Once you get out of the top 40, law schools are completely regional in nature.  If you go to Temple, you will start out in Philly, if you go to U. Oregon, you will start out in the NW, Depaul, start in Chicago, Suffolk start in southern NE, etc...  If you know for sure you want to stay in Atlanta for the first few years, it makes little difference whether you go to a top 30 school or not, provided that Georgia State is well-respeted, which I believe it is.

Second, The biggest obstacle to PI work is not pedigree of school, it's debt.  Plain and simple.  You cannot rack up 150K in loans, which adds up to about $1500 per month after graduation, on a salary of 45K or 50K, even with LRAP, the details of which can be deceiveing ("up to 10K a yr" means you DON'T actually get 10K).  The math simply does not work.  That's why free rides are such a great thing

That being said, don't for a minute think that higher ranked schools are tougher; often the opposite is true.  Tier 2s and 3s (like mine) have a much harsher grading curve than at Tier 1s...this is one of the reasons that getting in is the hard part.  Harvard has something like a b+ curve!  Their legal writing class is pass/fail...C'mon!  My school (Albany) has a b-/C+ curve and is therefore it is VERY difficult to get all A's.  But employers are starting to realize that grads from my school really hit the ground running, as opposed to Yale kids who can barely open a book.

That's my two cents...Be wary of this site because most of these testimonials are written by well-meaning kids who nonetheless HAVE NOT YET BEEN TO LAW SCHOOL...they honestly have no idea, no offense to them.  But they will learn...mmmwwwuuuhahahaha!!!

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I'm a 2L at NUSL.  Northeastern will be changing their grading system.  There will continue to be narrative evaluations in addition to a single descriptor (Fail, Marginal Pass, Pass, Honors, High Honors) for upper year classes that then get put on a 1-pg cover letter for your official transcript. I don't think it will become effective until the class entering 2008 though.

There is also a journal in the works, the online "NU Forum" for progressive lawyers/professors.  I believe they are aiming to "publish" the first one next year.  I don't know too many details, but I don't think that membership selection will follow the traditional law review competition format that most other schools have. 

My take, there is no best answer.  There are different fields of law where Suffolk or Northeastern might be better than the other (I know that Northeastern is better for my particular specialty), but it's hard to generalize and say that one school is more advantageous overall.  I think a lot depends on what you want to do with your degree and what type of student environment you want to be in. 

No question...I wasn't saying NE is a bad school or anything...Actually I have a very liberal, laid-back friend who chose BU over NE, and ended up dropping out after 1st semester...perhaps law school wasn't for him after all, but he just HATED the high degree of competition at BU, which I hear is a problem at that school...perhaps if he attended Northeastern, it wouldn't have been a factor.

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