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As I have been reading the exchange on pages 6 and 7, I noted that someone mentioned how African Americans don't have their own army, representation, etc.  The statements awoken the devil's advocate in, and made me wonder, Why do African Americans need to have their own armies, or other things of the sort?  Aren't African Americans, theoretically, supposed to be Americans?  They fight in the US Army, Navy, etc. They are represented by political organizations, such as the Congressional Black Caucus.  This is not to say that African Americans need to pretend they are satisfied with what little representation they have. However, it does reveal the insidious double consciousness that African Americans face....wanting to be "American", while also wanting to be recognized as a unique group that needs to be addressed differently.  African American culture is so distinct from general American culture that it creates this idea of a nation within a nation. Nation building is difficult when you have divergent sects vying for respect. Look at what happened when the South wanted to secede...the Northerners went down there and quieted that storm. African Americans suffer the same treatment.  The rest of America just wants African Americans to conform and be "happy" that slavery is over.  But, the way I see it is that, because of the manner in which Africans became Americans, African Americans are always trying to regain claim to some semblance of ownership, sovereignty, and dignity.  There was and continues to be an antagonistic relationship between the descendants of slaves and the descendants of slave owners. We have seen,or read how Caucasian Americans' anger at the ending of slavery (an anger derived from fear of losing a thriving economy) turned to hatred of the one group that had no say in what would happen to it.  I hope this doesn't simplify it too much, but it is akin to a huge grudge that Caucasian Americans have against African Americans for screwing up their Utopia.  This grudge does not translate to immigrants, African, West-Indian, or whatever.  African Americans, and slavery are part of the dark underbelly of American History that most Caucasian Americans want to "get over."  But it is difficult to get over something when you are reminded of your transgressions on a daily basis.

GREAT post!!! I agree with 97% of what you said except the part about the slave master not hating the immigrant Blacks. Because again, for the most part, it is hard to tell who is from what country, Unless identifying different regions of africa and the west indies, and most do not care. They just do not like Black people or people who are not white.

Again I agree with your overall argument, but it really just comes down to overall competency. He meets with Jesse JAckson, Al Sharpton, Gregory (Last name slips my mind right now) not on regualr basis, but he does meet with them. Now does he actually meet with the President of NAACP, Not sure. Have we as constituency held him accountable for ANY of his transgressions??? No

We deserve a lot and we need a lot more to get us to where we need to be, but more importantly we need to help ourselves. I teach my students and educate them on whatever they need to do an assignment for the day in my class, and then I say if you need help I am here. Some will come to me and say I do not get this others will say put the work down in front of me and say help me. I ask with what, they say the whole thing with no starting point. NOw they never try but they want me to help them.

I use this example because this is how we as AA's are we want help, but we are not helping ourselves first. We can blame any and everybody and we would most likely be right, but depending on anybody to assist us and improve our currrent condition is assinine. We MUST help ourselves.

Lastly, it is my opinion that this article was done more so in a positive light to show that it is not the color of one's skin and that we are definitely not inferior to white folks. We are as intelligent and can be just as educated. If you are taking this article as a negative in which they are NOT comparing them to solely american blacks, but to ALL minorities period then you would need to look inside yourself and think why is that. This article was not made to MAKE us be crabs in the bucket again. Thats just all some people know what to do.

Can we please stop trying to pull one another down?

Thank you Nibbles for pointing it out. Does not make sense to me why you would choose to use anger to respond with anger. Clearly you both are passionate about what YOU believe and are pretty strong minded in those beliefs. What is also clear is that you two are not listening to what the other is saying.

ODara great point - Georgia does not NEED to have meetings with the head of the NAACP as he would try to meet with different foreign officials. That is what is called foreign relations.

For Domestic relations what he DOES do is meet with senators who are "supposed" to be our representatives. He also meets with various officials, lobbyists, and representatives of various groups, but advertising these meetings are not necessary.

Madness - Great point, we do need to have a leader or leaders to champoin our causes, needs and issues. This is clearly definite. Since the late 60's we have been without our leaders and it has reflected in the acts of our communities. Part of the problem is that no one wants to put their financial necks on the line and risk losing the jobs or an audience for a group of people. The community barely supports its own people and are more likely to criticize than champion a business which makes their reluctance greater on the majority and less likely to risk losing that market.

Back to the poitn of us needing leaders. If we had more competent leaders with character and clout then it would be easier to have a contact person and this would lead to greater contact.

Overall white folks look at black people as black people. Immigrants need to learn to speak English and AA's need to speak better english. Let's be real for real. The cause of the percentage figures of educated minorities has little to do with us having a contact person and more to do with the issues at hand within our communities. Now a leader would help the cause but the issues would still be existent.

well we would have liked to have you here at ualr, but good luck at smu
Well thank you Rev. I appreciate it and all of your advice. I was speaking with Deaen Taylor and I was about to send the deposit in there as well, but then I got that call from SMU, so unless I get in UH. I will be attending SMU this fall.

U know what, i was on that site and saw alot of people with much lower gpa's and not all of that LSAT's who got into some schools that i didnt think would even look at me. I think i sold myself short on some real ish. Im in the school i want to be in, but damn, i coulda applied to other scchools to see if i can get some money

Yea I just took chances and had confidence. I did not want to have any regrets concerning my cycle, when it was all said and done. But where are you going this fall?

My scores are on LSN, but I had a 147 & 155 LSAT; 2.5 GPA, 2.74 in my major, 3.0 before my senior year. I have super soft factors, a great resume, great PS and LOR's. I am entirely too blessed to have been admitted to many of my schools and even more blessed to have received scholarships. Most of my story is on LSN though. But if you wanna know, you can ask.

Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: The Hair Thread
« on: May 07, 2007, 11:01:05 AM »
I have locs now and I just actually highlighted the tips myself. I was thinking about keeping them for law school becuase I like the maintenance of them. They are a LOT cheaper to take of than a fade. I can do them myself as evidence of this recent bleaching and I can edge up my own hairline.

I guess I am asking since I have almost made my mind up about cutting them, what is the prevalence of afro-amer men that wear locs in the legal profession and do you think it would be hard to attain significant 1L with the locs. I would like to grow them back one day, but I am not sure.

Wait List / Re: Anyone been accepted to South Texas and not going?
« on: May 07, 2007, 03:47:30 AM »
Well I am meant I saw on the SMU thread that you were waitlisted. But I totally feel you on thw money being spent and getting every decision out of the adcomms. I am still waiting on Pepperdine and I dont know what to make out of it. I do have some resume updates. I have been teaching Spanish in the Columbus Inner city schools for the last 4 months now, but my previous resume was already two pages long and so I am not sure how to augment that one or should I just state it somewhere or reduce my previous resume or whatever. I had a LOR sent in after their decision to waitlist me. It was sent in January. Other than that I have no more. I knd of told SMU that I would guarantee my matriculation if admitted, but then they admitted to the part time program so I wont feel as bad if I dont go, but Pepperdine is in there as well, since I would prefer attending a fulltime program and its Cali, plus I would love to transfer to one of the Cali schools, so the in state I would be able to receive after the first year would be great, but it is not that crucial or serious. I just want UHLC to admit already and let me tell my mom to fix my room back up.

I was hearing the same thing when I visited American. Although I think they take a lot more people off of the waitlist. If you are looking to do something in International Law and are looking for the public sector or  things of that nature then American is great. My friend loves it there and I loved my visit. The costs is a huge deterance for me though. Do you think I should email them every other week to indicate how serious I am about my attendance. I am moving back to Houston no later than the middle of June. I am not leaving til Early August at the latest and even then I will drive back down and just have to lose that housing deposit.

Wait List / Re: Anyone been accepted to South Texas and not going?
« on: May 07, 2007, 03:02:19 AM »
NAw I am playing I have withdrawn and they even sent me a survey to fill out, so I could explain to them why I was not attending their school. I told them cost and lack of funding and the sort, but yea I have given up my seat. I hope you get it M!ch!g@n fan. I am not one of THOSE Buckeye fans, I just pretend to be sometimes, so they don't go flipping over my car and setting it on fire. Be blessed and I hope you receive a decision soon.

Dang Silent, you still havent heard from them! Yea I heard about the SMU decision, I am sorry. I am still trying to get into UHLC. I have a letter that is almost done and I will be sending it in this week. I am still hoping and praying. I NEED to be there this fall.

So if you are waitlisted you can call and ask to speak with the Dean of Admissions and they might actually tell you about your chances to attend the school?

I am in like an fritz. I NEED to go to UHLC!!! I want to do anything I can to get in off of this waitlist.

I am from Houston and I was this close to attending or at least puttin my seat deposit at Thurgood, but SMU called and so yea... Anyways back to your concerns. The school is good, contrary to popular belief. It places decently in Houston and the faculty there are not bad, but you will need to do well to have a chance at BIGlaw or decently well to get some good jobs in teh city. The attrition rate is high and the bar passage rate is low, but I am sure you know all of that. They do TRY to make sure that everyone makes it, but do the nature of the school's mission and premise it is almost impossible to not have a high attrition rate. It was founded as a school for minorities to attend since we were not allowed to attend UT. GREAT founding. Thats why I had no qulams getting my degree from there if I had to. But the bar passage rate is another issue. I applied back in November and they did not review my file until March and I did not get my letter until the middle of March. That was sad to me and My numbers are not great but I was able to receive scholarships from many of their peer institutions. Their administration is not well organized, but if you are focused and WANT to be in law school and be an Attorney, going to TSU will not impede you from what you want to do. It is those who do not have the desire or the aptitude who attribute to the attrition rate also many students do transfer. You should call them and ask to speak with either Tiffany or Dean Edward Rene, they will tell you if you qulaify for any additional free money. HTH! ;D

Hit me up if you want to knwo anything else or anythign about Houston. I am hoping to be a 1L at UHLC in the fall so I might be in the area anyway.

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