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Current Law Students / Re: 1Ls - How much to study?
« on: December 01, 2007, 12:02:20 AM »
quality of study > quantity of study

You can really only do so much, natural ability is going to take over at some point.

agreed.  you need to study to the point that you feel comfortable with the material.  if you try to study more than everyone else, you will never be able to (there are some crazies in law school that will stop at nothing to get the top grades)

in my opinion, there is no way to gauge how you are doing compared to others until you get your grades.  some students who seem like they have everything under control during class, may bomb the exam.  like drbuff said you can only do what you can do, and from there hope that what you write in your exam is what the prof. is looking for. 

Good luck on your exams!

Current Law Students / Re: Torts Question-HELP!!
« on: November 30, 2007, 11:52:26 PM »
I think you only rely upon substantial factor when each D isn't a clear but-for cause, e.g. two fires combining. From that fact pattern, it sounds like each is just a but-for cause, making them all jointly and severally liable, unless you can get them off on proximate cause.

If dr. had warned, decedent wouldn't have swam.
If lifeguard had been present, decedent wouldn't have drowned (lack of lifeguard substantially increases rsik of drowning, thus it can be viewed as a but-for cause)
If friend had stopped him, decedent wouldn't have drowned.

Of course, each of the above have counter arguments, like did friend or dr. have a duty to warn him? Did the pool owner have a duty to have a lifeguard present? Would decedent have listened to friend or dr if warned?

Please, someone correct me if any of this sounds wrong.

all 3 of the defendant's conduct were but-for causes of the plaintiff's injury.  The next step is determining whether any of the defendant's conduct was a proximate cause of the plaintiff's injury.  The substantial factor test is simply one way of determining proximate cause.  The substantial factor test has nothing to do with whether the conduct was a but-for cause. 

Current Law Students / Re: Wayne (50% tuition) v. MSU (Full ride)
« on: April 03, 2007, 09:07:44 AM »

I was at the program at MSU on the 24th as well.  I really enjoyed the presentations and the school in general.  Right now it is one of my top choices.  Finding a decent place will be a challenge for me though because Owen is out the question (my GF is moving with me)  We looked around a bit, and I am not sure where the quiet areas would be.  I currently go to Iowa, and I know it would be a disaster to end up in a wild undergrad party area! 

Where do you all plan work after LS?  In Michigan? 

Sorry to dig up this semi-old thread, but I just realized that there was still a search function.

Law School Admissions / Re: University of Denver
« on: March 28, 2008, 12:11:35 PM »
FBI has a Denver division and recruits from DU.  It seems like most alumni are in the mountain region, but from my talks with the CDC (career development center) they said that there are alumni around the country.  Look on martindale hubbell for attorneys that graduated from DU law and are practicing in the city you want to end up in if you want an idea. 

sorry no info on intenational law stuff other than FBI, matthies may have something for you

Law School Admissions / Re: University of Denver
« on: March 28, 2008, 12:01:14 PM »
I was talking to a professor the other day, and he said that february bar passage is always lower than july because the students taking in february (1) either failed the bar and are taking it again, or (2) the february test has lots of december grads that may have had to "slow down" a bit to stay in law school. 

He also recommended taking the bar in february, since it may be easier to pass. 

I am just a 1L, but I feel like the passing the bar is more of personal responsiblity than it is a responsibility of your school to make sure you pass. That is why DU's bar passage rate was a non-factor for me. 

Law School Admissions / Re: University of Denver
« on: March 25, 2008, 06:22:56 PM »
I took DU's summer prep class when I started. Back then it was 4 weeks long, and free as I remember.

Further confirming my fears that DU is a cash-cow. I wish money grew on trees.

I did the 5 day summer prep before I started last fall.  I think that it really did help most of us know what would be expected of us in the first semester.  It is also nice to meet some people before you start. 

I think most of the people I talked to thought that it was worth it. 

Law School Admissions / Re: University of Denver
« on: March 24, 2008, 12:07:49 PM »
So I went to a decision last Wednesday I believe. I still havent received anything.  Should I call..? Could this hurt me?

Personally, I doubt that calling would hurt you as long as you are polite, unless they have specifically told you not to call (like CU did when I applied)   I bothered admissions at DU a lot before I was accepted, and was later told that they appreciated my persistence and continued interest in DU.   

Law School Admissions / Re: University of Denver
« on: March 23, 2008, 04:00:25 PM »
AMLI is definetely closer to the light rail, and you do not have to go over I-25.  I am not sure how much AMLI is for a 3 bedroom, but it it likely more expensive than Lincoln Pointe.  The website for AMLI is, so you can check it out for yourself.  We live in the Buckeye model, and like it. 

Good luck with the apartment search!

Law School Admissions / Re: University of Denver
« on: March 22, 2008, 04:03:17 PM »
Lincoln Pointe is brand new, and seems very nice.  It is on the east side of I-25. The light rail and most shopping is on the west side of I-25.

I live at AMLI, and it is pretty quiet and nice.  I walk to the train when the weather is nice. 

Law School Admissions / Re: University of Denver
« on: March 22, 2008, 09:44:48 AM »
About places to live. Highlands Ranch would probably be expensive for housing. It is about 10 miles away. It would be a great place to live with a family though. I am probably going to rent there. Also, there is a light rail stop on Lincoln Ave, so you could take the lightrail. I think the website estimates times to DU from that stop at 35 minutes if I remember correctly. I think that is perfect because you don't have to worry about driving and it is long enough that you can study some each way.

I haven't spoken with any snobby admissions officers yet, there have been some seemingly uninformed ones, but none have been snobby. Then again, CU says don't contact them, so I really don't know about them as they do not allow communication  :)

I really want to hear back from CU though. The wifey and I are coming out in a week for ASW, and I am going to visit both schools and try to "feel out" the best pick. I really want the CU admit though.

But how I love Denver.

I take the light rail everyday from Lincoln Station.  If you are thinking of renting, there are several places right around Lincoln Station that would allow you to walk to the train, or have an extremely short drive.  It takes a little bit less than 35 min to get to the University stop.  I leave Lincoln on the 5:03, and get to University on by 5:25 or so. 

Let me know if you have any questions about living in the Lone Tree area!

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