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Simple: Wait until your LRW Professor TELLS you how they want you to write.

If you aren't in school yet, then don't waste your time learning bad habits that will have to be UNLEARNED once you get in school. Two Law Professors at the same school will require different things from their students during the course of the semester.

I disagree some things will remain the same across LWR programs, mainly grammar, style, punctuation, capitalization, when to use the serial comma etc. Hence the recommendation of a style book. During your LRW class is not the time to brush up on your basic grammar rules, do that over the summer.  Also I think LRW at least to style (avoid passive voice, short over long words, not using the same words over and over again) and construction (start with your best point, bury bad points in the middle etc.) which again, remain the same across classes, is one of the easiest things in law school to improve on, if you have the time, which one won’t once LRW actually starts.

If you are in law school and you DON'T know that it is improper to end a sentence with a prepositional phrase then you don't need any legal books. You need Hooked on Phonics or something of that remedial nature.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: used or new supplements
« on: May 28, 2009, 09:51:26 PM »
The law that you learn in Law School has not changed that much.

Last time I checked, Roe vs. Wade still had not been overturned.

Glannons on Torts the 2004 edition is still as legally relevant as the 2009 edition.

Save your self the time and money and go to the school LIbrary and get what you need.

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Is it necessary to call 1Ls and 2Ls morons because they don't know the law yet?  I don't mean to make an example of you, but I think that many 1Ls and 2Ls have a general sense of what the law may be in a few fictional jurisdictions, and it's not their fault that LS isn't "bar exam prep."

Uh. . . nobody in Law School knows the law. That's why we have to shell out an extra $2,400 to TEACH US how to take the Bar Exam.

3L year is pointless unless you are doing a clinic, journal, or trial advocacy. The classes that remain are utterly pointless.

What can i possibly learn from taking Military Law if I don't intend on joining JAG?

3L year exist so the school can justify paying Professors 6 figures to research and publish "scholarly" books and articles.

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and what clinics or summer internships did you take in order to get all that you could out of school??

signed,

over anxious 0L ???

During my 2L year I did an externship with the Federal Public Defender's office. During my 3L year I did an externship with the city's District Attorney's office through my Prosecution Clinic.

Both clinics were wonderful experiences and it gave me wonderful insight into both sides of the Criminal Law. Before the Pros. clinic I always thought that DA's were inherently evil people who were only out to lock-up all minorities and had the easiest job in the world.

Oh how wrong i was. Being a DA is hard for a plethora of reasons that people don't recognize until they've actually watched a DA has to go thru for the simplest of cases.

I believe my Clinics were the most beneficial classes in Law school. Everything else was pointless crap inside of expensive-ass books that I had to teach myself with an outline anyways. After 1L year, you don't LEARN any new concepts in regards to "thinking like a Lawyer". You classes thereafter are just designed to fill-up your schedule and justify paying a Professor 6-figures so he can sit and publish "scholarly" books and articles.

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I'm sure we have all heard stories of how competitive law school. In reference to your experience, how competitive was it? Was it "cut-throat competitive"???

Cut-throat is a very relative term. I've never seen any real-life examples of people "hiding books" or slashing pages out of other books. Simply because if somebody did that, it wouldn't make a difference in the grand scheme of things. Your grade is decided by a 3hr exam at the end of hte semester, not by how well you read all the dusty books in the library.

The "competition" is more fostered by the law school itself. In undergrad you could do your own thing and nobody cared. Athlete, Greek, Student Gov't, Weedhead, Computer Science, it really didn't matter because you were only judge by those who had similar interest.

In law school EVERYBODY is compared against the person next to them. It is never enough to do a good job, because the school is going to point out that somebody else did better.

"You made Mock Trial, congrats! Joe Blow made Moot Court!"

"You made Journal, congrats! Susie Q made Law Review!"

"You made Law Review, congrats! Jimmy McGhee got published!"

"You are in the top quarter of your class, congrats! Jimmy Jack Johnson is Order of the Coif"

It goes on and on and on, to the point where you actually DOUBT how intelligent you really are. You actually think that you are LESS intelligent than your classmates just because you aren't a part of some arbitrary legal publication THAT NOBODY IN THE PROFESSION OF LAW ACTUALLY READS!

Law school is essentially a mind-game. The quicker you realize that, the better you can handle it.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Life as a Summer Associate
« on: May 28, 2009, 09:04:07 PM »
I stumbled across this thread, and I think it is a really good one.  For those of you who have been through the summer associate process, could you describe it?

It is Summer Camp at a Law firm. The purpose of the Summer Associate program is to lull you into a false sense of confidence by making you think that the law firm actually CARES about your development as a lawyer and doesn't simply see you as a profit-making robot.


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I understand that there is a lot of doc review and research
Doc review comes when you are a First Year Associate. You do more substantive research during Summer Camp

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, but what kind of hours did you keep?
Just do what everybody on your floor does. If nobody is in the office before 10:00, then don't show up at 8, expecting to gain brownie points.

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How were you treated?
Wined and dined. Went to partners' houses and played poker and Guitar Hero. One partner invited us to his lake house and let me drive his speed boat!

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How did you find out you had the summer job in the first place?
They called me with the job offer.

 

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Life as a Summer Associate
« on: May 28, 2009, 08:59:08 PM »

Offers come (you hope) at the end of the summer...method varies by firm.


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1. I'm NEVER going to surf the internet during class.

2. I'm going to brief EVERY case for class.

3. I had to read a lot in my undergrad major, so I'm sure I can handle a little more in Law School.

4. I'm sure I'll go to every class in LAW SCHOOL.

5. I'm going to hand-write all my notes because I did it undergrad and I can REMEMBER things better.

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is it time to dig up that old thread "let's scare the 1Ls" or is it too soon?

Nah. . ..I'd hold off until the summer. A lot of them are still celebrating their undergrad graduation

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what was your regular daily schedule like (outside of class)? How difficult did you find it to incorporate some parts of your life that had nothing to do with law school (ex: excercise, socialize, fam, relationships, and etc) into your schedule?

You have to make time for yourself. 1L year I would use our 3hr break in between class on Tuesdays and go get a haircut. Sundays would be my "ME" day, where I sat ant home, didn't answer the phone, ddin't study or nothing else, and I would just watch DVD episodes of 24.

I would find time to exercise in the evening around 9:00 b/c the guym closed at 11pm. I didn't go earlier in the evening because all the Fratboys and Sorority girls would hog the damn machines at that time.

I had to break up w/ my girlfriend at the beginning of 1L year just b/c i couldn't handle a long-distance relationship AND First year at the same time. My family understood why I wasn't around them as much or call as often because I brought them to friends-and-family day at school and they understood the crap I had to go thru on a daily basis. I wouls ee my friends from undergrad whenever we had a 3 day weekend or Spring break or such.

You have to learn how to say "NO! I'M NOT READIN'G ANOTHER DAMN THING!" and take some time out for yourself.

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