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Dude, leave out the drug dealing.

Even if you weren't arrested for it, you still don't want the White people on the Admissions Committee associating drug dealing with a black man.

Talk about your family your time at the legislature.

Save your tales of trappin' until AFTER you've received your Bar License.

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It means you've been selected by the Firm/Agency. Now you just pick the time-slot for your interview.

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I found both groups extremely helpful, and necessary, however the group who failed was overwhelmingly more able to say EXACTLY what did not work and what was a waste of time.  The group who passed were basically only able to tell me what they did, but not necessarily what EXACTLY made them pass.  You feel me?

What did the FAILED people have to say? Cuz I'm close to freakin' out my-damn-self.

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Well well, I see lets school this 0L seminar has started lol and the references such as "young grasshoper" starting to come out lol, I feel like I am a freshman on the basketball team all over again lol

Truone & Sands, I see you put my typo on blast like that lol, its all good though I see how yall upperclassmen treating a young "grasshopers" lol. But I get your point that since its only one final, everyone will catch up in regards to technical parts of the lawschool aspect. And for me to argue other wise based on what I think it will be when people who have been through it tell me other wise, will be foolish and a bit naive. But to go down swinging I was looking at from the perspective of "thinking and writing like a lawyer". I felt like it is a mind set you never master and the longer your train yourself the quicker and the better you get at it. I guess that is more of a personal development. Also I was thinking mostly everyone will be on the same level intellectual abiliites and work ethic. Therefore having any kind of advantage, even a slim one, will make the difference of getting those extra few points who sets you apart from the curve. However since you guys have actually gone through the process, I will have to accept your inputs until the time comes for me to speak from first hand experience.


P.S on the curve comment, we just had some of writing assignment grades, graded on a curve, back and lets just say some people are not as "friendly" as they were in the beginning lol. I never seen a line form so quick behind a professor as the day we got our grades back lol

You are going to see that a lot during 1st semester. It stops once grades come back and people realize that talking to the Professor right after every single class DOES NOT HELP.

As far as networking, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND doing it. Hell, networking is what helped land me at my firm right now, and it helped me get the Clerkship I'll be doing this fall after I finish this soul-draining exam. Networking can come in all types of forms, it might start off with a question and it might turn into you and that person going to the same law school or being in the same BLSA Region and meet up at a convention, you never know.

Just follow what everyone says with a grain of salt and remember that you only have to suffer thru LS for 3 years, there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

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Speaking of which, Tru One brings up an excellent point that also f*cked me up during 1L - THE CURVE!!!  What folks don't understand about the curve is that you can literally score a 95% of an exam and still get a B or B- because that is where the curve is set.  My school had a strong B curve that was mathematically computed so that the majority of the class fell in the 2.95 to 3.05 range.  So that meant in any given class of, say 100, you had somewhere around 80 people who got some form of a B, maybe 10 people who got C's, and only 10 people who got A's, and the deviation between the three groups was LITERALLY just a few points on the exam.

People really don't understand that the CURVE is what separates lawyers who work for Cravath from lawyers who work for Jimmy Jack Johnson and Associates.

Students think that because they graduated from the top of their class in Undergrad that they are GUARANTEED to be at the top of the curve because they are going to stay in the library longer than everybody else, and they are going to get the BETTER supplements than everybody else.

It is the the CURVE that will make you cry when you get your grade back in January, and there really isn't anything you can do about it except pray that your professor is feeling generous enough to take you out the B+ category and give you a coveted A.



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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Life as a Summer Associate
« on: June 23, 2009, 04:08:37 PM »
:D :D :D  LOL  That's funny b/c it's so true.

Yeah, that's how it goes, man.  You spend hours upon hours working on motions and responses to motions and briefs and research, etc. And then in the blink of an eye, POOF!!!  The case settles. 

Sometimes we forget the everyday human element of this practice w/ respect to clients.  Usually (w/ corporations anyway) once we start down the road on litigation you can predict that you're not going to get a settlement until somebody's summary judgment motion gets dinged.  But sometimes the client can surprise you. You never know.

Better to be prepared I guess.


On a related note, I've noticed that the more seasoned cats tend to only do what is absolutely necessary before proceeding with a case.  For example, I have this case now dealing with some high tech subject matter.  The partner on the case filed the usual motion to dismiss on procedural grounds.  Typical tactic.  But it wasn't until the motion to dismiss actually got denied that he, for the first time, picked up some material on high tech subject matter and started to educate himself on what exactly was at issue.  He told me that he was hoping that it would get knocked out so he wouldn't have to spend time learning this tech stuff.

Makes sense, considering that I doubt your Partner wants to spend a lot of time and effort on a BS case.

How many cases do you receive that are absolutely BS and have no merits and are only field just to milk a couple thousand in settlement?


Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiit!

Like all of 'em!   :D

I shouldn't say that actually.  Actually there are some that are brought on legitimate merits.  But keep in mind, settlement is the name of the game in Biglaw.  We win cases ON PAPER at Summary Judgment and we rarely ever go to trial.  If you go to trial then usually something has gone wrong.

The pro bono stuff is usually meritorious work though. Helping people who couldn't make it happen without you.  That's always a good feeling.

Do Firms actually care about Pro Bono work?

As in, "Hey! Great job on that Pro Bono case last month1"

not

"Hey! Great job on that Pro Bono case last month that got our firm in the newspaper and trade magazines and gave us some great PR!"

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Memoirs of a Bar Examinee
« on: June 23, 2009, 04:05:27 PM »
Who is taking the July 2009 Bar?

And if so, what state(s)are you sitting for?


NY and NJ here.

I am taking the PMBR - Complete Bar Review

SC

and might I add, that this is slow torture having to sit and listen to a lecturer read from an outline that I have RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME!

Question for successful takers:

My method so far has been making flashcards of every topic. Did you all do this for the Essay topics as well?


No I didn't, but then again I was never a flash cards maker.  Now my study parter (who also passed) she was a flash card person so that worked for her.  While she was making flash cards to help her learn the material, I went back over outlines and made my own notes on the outlines and then I posted a big azz 2 foot by 3 foot poster of all the important stuff that I picked out of a subject (typically questions I missed or particular doctrines that required flow-chart-analysis) and hung it on the wall so that I could look at it every day.  By the end of the summer our study room looked like homeboy's crib in "A Beautiful Mind."

Hey whatever works right?

Oh God I hate that movie! The ending left me with a intellectual blue-balls. All that build-up for what???

A damn pen in the library!?!

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Life as a Summer Associate
« on: June 22, 2009, 10:26:02 AM »
:D :D :D  LOL  That's funny b/c it's so true.

Yeah, that's how it goes, man.  You spend hours upon hours working on motions and responses to motions and briefs and research, etc. And then in the blink of an eye, POOF!!!  The case settles. 

Sometimes we forget the everyday human element of this practice w/ respect to clients.  Usually (w/ corporations anyway) once we start down the road on litigation you can predict that you're not going to get a settlement until somebody's summary judgment motion gets dinged.  But sometimes the client can surprise you. You never know.

Better to be prepared I guess.


On a related note, I've noticed that the more seasoned cats tend to only do what is absolutely necessary before proceeding with a case.  For example, I have this case now dealing with some high tech subject matter.  The partner on the case filed the usual motion to dismiss on procedural grounds.  Typical tactic.  But it wasn't until the motion to dismiss actually got denied that he, for the first time, picked up some material on high tech subject matter and started to educate himself on what exactly was at issue.  He told me that he was hoping that it would get knocked out so he wouldn't have to spend time learning this tech stuff.

Makes sense, considering that I doubt your Partner wants to spend a lot of time and effort on a BS case.

How many cases do you receive that are absolutely BS and have no merits and are only field just to milk a couple thousand in settlement?

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Memoirs of a Bar Examinee
« on: June 22, 2009, 10:24:31 AM »
Who is taking the July 2009 Bar?

And if so, what state(s)are you sitting for?


NY and NJ here.

I am taking the PMBR - Complete Bar Review

SC

and might I add, that this is slow torture having to sit and listen to a lecturer read from an outline that I have RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME!

Question for successful takers:

My method so far has been making flashcards of every topic. Did you all do this for the Essay topics as well?

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An educated black IS a rarity, especially in relative terms

Why?  Because 1) they are not smart enough or 2) they are oppressed by the white men? 

Oh God, if this turns into a political/affirmative action discussion I'm LOCKING THIS POST with a quickness.

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