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Studying for the LSAT / Re: February Score Results
« on: March 03, 2003, 06:12:23 AM »
In order to take the LSAT you should have registered with LSAC.  You should be able to access your personal LSAC account online at the website you mentioned.  Most, if not all, ABA schools that you apply to require you to send your transcripts to LSAC for their evaluation.  The ABA schools you apply to then want LSAC to directly provide them your undergrad GPA based upon LSAC's evaluation of your transcripts.  This is the GPA used in the GPA/LSAT index for most ABA schools.  In my case, my school had me at 2.79 cum, but LSAC calculated 2.61 cum based upon their independent evaluation of my grades.  I'm just hoping Loyola and Southwestern take a good look at my resume/statement/letters.  If they do, I should be in the ballpark.  Good luck.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: February Score Results
« on: March 03, 2003, 05:10:51 AM »
Yeah, I called in on Saturday.  I got a 156 (70%), which, all things considered, I'm fairly satisfied with.  I have a B.S. in Aeronautical/Aerospace Engineering from California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo, but with only a 2.6 cum (LSAC calcs). I've been working as a spacecraft engineer for General Dynamics for five years, and have started a number of my own technology/engineering companies on the side (Corps/LLCs).  I'm looking at Loyola Law School and Southwestern for the night divisions, Fall 2003.  I'm just now sending in my apps; but as a fallback, I'm starting this evening at a local CBA law school (Ventura College of Law).  Good luck to you.  Where are you applying?

You should begin with the following steps:

1.  Get an LSAT prep book (I used Princeton Review's "Cracking the LSAT") and spend a few weeks completing it, taking the practice exams at the end.  This will give you a general prediction of your LSAT performance.

2.  Take your practice LSAT score and your undergrad GPA, log on to, and look at the schools you're interested in.  There are a number of good tools on that site that allow you to determine your odds of getting into any of the ABA law schools using an LSAT/UGPA index.

3.  If your practice LSAT score is comfortably on target with what you need for your selected schools, then you probably shouldn't spend your money on an LSAT course.  Just get ahold of one of the "10 Official LSAT Preptests" books and practice while you're waiting for your LSAT test date.

4.  If your practice tests are significantly off the mark with what you need to get into the school(s) of your choice, then an LSAT course would probably be worth the money.

Good luck.


Studying for the LSAT / Re: Practice LSAT...
« on: May 07, 2003, 04:04:02 AM »
I believe there is a better solution to this issue; and it is well supported by the main premise of your argument.  The main premise appears to be that there is generally a causal relationship between one's socio-economic background their ability to achieve high UPGA/LSAT scores.  I won't argue the truth of this premise in this discussion.  Certainly, offering consideration for this factor to all people in the admissions process seems reasonable and is unlikely to contribute to widespread resentment and discriminatory practices down the road.  After achieving an advanced education, it is far more difficult to determine one's social or economic background than it is the color of one's skin.

However, the application of race to this issue is self-defeating in that it continues the tradition of racial discrimination, only this time poorly disguised as a social Band-Aid. What it's in essence saying is, "Well, we know you have this problem too; but since it happens to more of us, you should be excluded from these new protections."  That's patently unfair and unjust.  Those who are excluded from equal protection have a right to be angry.  And when people are angered and have a simple means to identify a target for their anger (e.g. color of one's skin, language, customs), they have a tendency of doing so, right or wrong.

In short, if we are going to consider socio-economic background in the admissions process, let's do it directly instead of disallowing certain ethnic groups from consideration based upon their race.  This is a reasonable way to address the disadvantages caused by pre-conditions we have no control over, while avoiding contributing to race-related resentments and discrimination.  This strategy conforms to this country's desired tradition of equal protection for all people, regardless of race.

--Just my 1 1/2 cents. ;)

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Practice LSAT...
« on: March 18, 2003, 04:17:10 AM »
OK, everywhere I said "practive" in the previous post, I meant "practice."  Apparently I was a little off target with my keystroke yesterday.  So much for attention to detail. :P


Studying for the LSAT / Re: Practice LSAT...
« on: March 17, 2003, 04:14:56 AM »
I agree with you on the race issue.  I left those areas blank on my apps.  I think you have to be mentally challenged to actually offer up that kind of information if you're white (caucasion).  You almost get the feeling that it's a hidden test to see if you think things through before acting.  On the other hand, by not filling out this section, I risk broadcasting that I'm white AND a non-conformist.  Boy, I guess I can't win either way. ;)

As far as the LSAT goes, I began studying about 3 weeks before the test.  I used the Princeton "Cracking the LSAT" book.  I also took about 4 actual practice LSATs from a book of ten.  Took the LSAT in Feb 2003, and got a 156 (70%tile).  This score was fairly consistant with my practive scores.  The games section was my weak point throughout.  I completely trashed this section on the actual test. So, all things considered, I'm fairly satisfied with my score.

I could have done much much better on the whole thing if I had prepared for the games section more aggressively, and started studying earlier.  Taking the practive exams were an important part of my preparation, but looking back, I should have focused more on improving my performance in the sections that I was especially weak in.

Good luck! ;D


Hey Cheryl.  In the month preceding my actual LSAT, I took 4 or 5 "official practice LSATs" with fairly consistent results between them (within approx 2-3 points of each other).  My actual LSAT score was well within the practice score grouping.  So I would say if your practice scores are grouped fairly tightly, and the practice test conditions are about what you'll see during the real LSAT, then the practice tests will likely be a very good predictor of your final score.

Good luck.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT STOP WATCH?
« on: July 15, 2003, 05:29:24 AM »
I just went ahead and bought one of those cheap track-style stop watches.  It took just a couple of minutes to open it up and cut the speaker wires.  It worked very well for me during the LSAT.  Good luck.

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Southwestern
« on: May 15, 2003, 02:39:26 AM »
In: Southwestern (Fall 2003 evening)
Wait list: Loyola (Fall 2003 evening)
Presently attending: Ventura College of Law (Spring 2003 evening start)

UGPA: 2.61 (Aeronautical/Aerospace Engineering)
LSAT: 156
Military: 8 years in Marine Corps Reserves
Work: 6 years as spacecraft engineer for General Dynamics
Other: extensive experience in business development; owned a sole proprietorship, a corporation, and participated in the formation and operation of two technology LLCs.

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: Loyola Law School, Los Angeles
« on: August 26, 2003, 06:25:02 AM »
I just started at Southwestern a couple of weeks ago.   Because I'm commuting about 60 miles each way, the drive's a little rough.  But judging from the first couple weeks of class, it's definitely worth the trip.  The school's administration has been well organized, professional, and very helpful to me as an incoming student (I'm an engineer.  I can get lost easily).  The professors' backgrounds are substantial and I've been very impressed with the quality of instruction all around.  In addition, the library is gorgeous and their new state-of-the-art courtroom is nearing completion.  The backgrounds of the evening students here are incredibly diverse.  I thought I was a pretty smart dude, being an aerospace engineer and all.  But last night I met a classmate of mine who is just happens to be a neurosurgeon by day.  This place is top-notch.

Good luck.


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