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General Board / Re: Engineers in Law School
« on: December 22, 2005, 12:12:19 PM »
I come from a BS in aerospace engineering, with 8 years of work experience.  I've got 1 year left in law school.  Law school is nowhere near as difficult as engineering.  In fact, I sit in class most days and do complex CAD design work on my computer while listening to the lecture and taking notes at the same time.  Then when I get called on by the prof, I usually nail the answer cold.  This is at a school with one of those supposedly "killer" curves that everyone freaks out about.  I agree with the above poster concerning most liberal arts undergrads -- many of them seem to struggle and stress out over bullsh*t.  I've never seen an engineering undergrad react to law school like that.

Good luck.

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General Board / Re: JAG Interview
« on: November 09, 2005, 01:00:11 PM »
yeah ok, I'm pretty sure it was the marines my dad looked into... so it is true.  I'd be careful about signing anything with them.


It's true that all Marine officers, whether they will eventually fly jets, command a tank battalion, or become lawyers, must complete the same 10-12 weeks at Officer Candidates School (OCS) and 6 months at The Basic School (TBS).  Just as every enlisted Marine is first and foremost trained as a rifleman, every Marine Officer is first and foremost trained as a rifle platoon commander.

But I have a slightly different perspective than most on this board as to whether you should consider Marine Corps JAG.  I completed the first half of Marine Corps OCS before an over-training injury prevented me from attending the second half on schedule.  I ended up going to work as an engineer with the intent of eventually getting back in shape and returning to finish up OCS.  However, because I got caught up in other business activities, I never did return. 

Although I've done well financially, not returning to OCS is a decision I sometimes regret, because my experience as a Marine officer candidate was incredibly satisfying.  If you like a mental and physical challenge, and the opportunity to hone your leadership and problem-solving skills under stress, there's no other way to go in my opinion.  Also, having been an enlisted Marine for 8 years prior, I've had the experience of working with people I would actually entrust my life to.  That feels good to me, and it's something I can't say for any civilian job I've had.

When I was there (1995), OCS had about a 33% attrition rate.  One of our sister platoons lost around 50%.  But for me that was part of the satisfaction -- not knowing if I was still going to be there 2 days later.  Most people run from those kinds of odds.  You have to live in the moment, focusing on each task like it was your last opportunity to prove you have what it takes to be a Marine Officer, often with very little sleep and very sore muscles.  It's not for everybody, but that short experience prepared me well for many of the challenges I would face later in life, like starting up successful business ventures and going to law school. As you can imagine, most of the things my classmates whine about just make me laugh (inside, of course).

Most advice you get from law students is tunnel-visioned.  It's generally based on the premise that military service is just a distraction from your development as a lawyer.  In reality, the training you will get as a Marine Officer will make you a lot tougher and more disciplined mentally, physically and emotionally than most of your peers.  Lawyers frequently deal with unforeseen stresses on a daily basis, and this is where that toughness and discipline pay off (I've seen it first hand, both in school and in business).  If you're a great lawyer when you rejoin the civilian world, other lawyers and law firms will take notice, and they'll bring you in as an associate or a partner laterally, regardless of where you spent your first 4 years as a lawyer.

Best of luck.

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Or perhaps he just enjoys exploiting his male strength in order to feel strong/powerful. 

Nah.  He pretty much wants to bang her.

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Okay, why do men throw women over their shoulders like they have not evolved much since they were Neanderthals?

Because we haven't.

Psychologically, what is going on in their head when they do this?

"Mongo like Jane.  Jane good to Mongo."

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General Board / Re: Why would the hot blonde in my class...
« on: August 31, 2005, 07:30:04 PM »
pull up a lingerie website and ask us if we thought she could "pull this look off"...

darn.. she was hot before, now I'm all torn up...

You know what really works with chicks like that?   Ignore the sh*t out of them. 

Unless you're extremely good looking and rich, you have to be the one guy who she can't get a reaction from.  She'll love you for it.  From a physical attractiveness perspective, I've been with many women whom I had no business being with. I've led a bountiful and rewarding dating career using that methodology. 

Like anything worthwhile, it just takes some focus and self-discipline.

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General Board / Re: Question about purchase of new home
« on: August 22, 2005, 12:30:43 AM »
I agree with your philosophy.  After the first couple of years "on stage," people will know who you are, and what you're good at.  That's the reputation that will carry you in this profession in the decades that follow.

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Wow.  Best of luck Rachel.

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Southwestern / Re: Who's Attending Southwestern?
« on: August 22, 2005, 12:24:24 AM »
Keep this thread alive.  I live in the SF valley.

I grew up in Canoga Park and Chatsworth.  Now living up in Ventura.

Looking forward to starting my third year as an evening student at SW.  This semester I've got Patent Law, Trademark Law, Evidence and Alternative Dispute Resolution.  What about you guys?

Best of luck to everyone.

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General Board / Re: Question about purchase of new home
« on: August 18, 2005, 07:52:31 PM »
Joanna is still there.  Last weekend she got married.  The older Philipino guy didn't make it after first year.  The older white guy dropped out after the first semester.  Grant is the tall thin guy and he is still there.  Tonja?  Don't think she started first year.  Do you remember Steve Jones?  Crazy guy who drank a two litre bottle of coke during class?  Yeah, we have a really good group of people.

Yeah, I remember Grant.  I also think I know the crazy guy you're taking about.  Is he kind of a skinny smart-*ss with with curly dark hair?  I also remember this red-haired dude about late 30s or early 40s who was a school teacher.  And there was a black gentleman in his late 40's or early 50's too.  That's great to hear about Joanna.  That was a fun group.  But most of all I remember the cute blonde Westlaw Rep at the time.  Is she still there?

You think VCL socratic method was tough?  How is it at SW?

I agree that it is up-close and personal.  We've had three judges that loved the socratic method.  But as the semester was completed, they eased up.  One thing for sure, I don't have a problem getting up in front of people and talking.

Pachowicz is teaching Crim-pro.  I've heard he is awesome too.

At Southwestern, since the classes in the beginning were so much larger than VCL, it felt like I was just briefing to a single mass.  Even though I've had some ball-buster profs at SW, it never really bothered me.  I think larger groups tend to make a lot of people more nervous, but I actually do better with a crowd.  Also, I don't remember having to stand up to brief at SW, other than maybe some class exercises.  With Pachowicz, we always had to stand up and address the class like we were in court, right from the beginning.  I think that actually prepped me well for SW. 

I love being at SW, but there are things that I experienced at VCL that most larger schools just can't duplicate.  It's hard to put into words.  Also, I've a had a bunch of great professors at SW, but Pachowicz is right up there with them.

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General Board / Re: Question about purchase of new home
« on: August 18, 2005, 02:38:37 AM »
Just check with the City of Camarillo...it's a good thing for property values.

So I take it it's not a strip club. :-X  I actually have a side business in the industrial area near that location.  Come to think of it, I did notice they're clearing the ground around there.

Which plan are you purchasing?

Mine is a plan 2, with the upstairs bed/bath instead of the bonus room.  I'll probably be renting the other two rooms out immediately, but I would have to find the right personalities for that.  I don't need any weird sh*t right now.  I want that place to be a sanctuary for all who live there.  It's actually the north-eastern-most unit in the complex.  It turns out there's just a wrought iron fence between me and the park, with a gate giving me direct access.  It should be pretty cool.  This should be a link to the plans:  http://www.drhorton.com/corp/GetCommunity.do?dv=W2&pr=41795

I started at VCL in the fall.  Most of the spring starters are still there.  Who do you remember from that class?

I remember a bunch of faces, but I barely remember my own name half the time.  I do still have an email in my archives from Joanna Camp.  She had sent me her notes for Juvi Law class one night.  Is she still around?  I also remember an older Philipino guy, and another older white guy who had been an exec in his company before retiring.  Also, there was a tall thin guy in his early 20's whose dad had a small firm.  Oh yeah, and there was a girl named Tonja McCoy.  Man, I remember a bunch of faces.  Unlike bigger schools, everyone was so friendly from the outset.  That was a really cool group.  Plus, school was right around the corner, and 1/4 the cost.

Also, I remember the Socratic method being way more difficult at VCL than Southwestern.  I think that's because it was more up-close and personal.  Also, Pachowicz would make us stand up when we briefed.  That really puts you on the spot, because you can't read from your computer screen.  He was awesome.  Is he still teaching there?


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