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Messages - joewillie
« on: April 19, 2007, 10:05:19 AM »
I just read the first few pgs of PlanetLSII and Atticus freaked me out a bit too. I immediately began looking for used copies of Delaney and the E&E for Contracts and Torts. The general consensus, from those who have actually survived their first yr, seems to be that you should relax and not kill yerself with class prep. This sounds about right to me.... along with the drinking and drugs perhaps (no cow milking though).
I am a bookworm at heart; reading general books about the law benefits my brain and allows me to place the education I am about to receive in some type of larger context (that's the idea at least). If you want to an easy, interesting law related book, I would recommend Becoming Justice Blackmun-- I read it in two days; it gives a good portrait of Blackmun, his key decisions (esp. Roe v Wade), a sense of the innerworkings of SCOTUS. Very enjoyable. Also, Simple Justice , about the legal struggles of the civil rights movement, is epic but thick. Reading now, Lawrence Friedman's History of American Law, thick too, but very interesting. I don't think any of these books will prepare me for 1l in a practical sense, but my mind is active at least.
« on: April 18, 2007, 10:00:09 AM »
one can live fairly well in NYC on $110,000
This is a ridiculous, out of touch statement. Yes, rent and COL in NY are very high, and I don't want to address the skewed stats previously posted, but in reality, REALITY, 110k is a boatload of money in NY or elsewhere. I have a large group of friends in and around NY (Manhattan, Bklyn, LIC, Jersey City, Hoboken)--I dont know one of them who is making over 100k, most are probably making 50k-70k, some less, some a bit more, yet somehow they are able to wake up every morning, smile and enjoy themselves and the great city they live in. They even go out to dinner sometimes, entertain friends at home, catch a movie or a live music performance. I swear.
Now if your characterization of living "fairly well" involves taking cabs everywhere you go, living in high-rise duplex with doorman, purchasing modern art based on the recommendations of your art consulant, weekly courtside seats at the Knicks games, summer rental in the Hamptons, regular dinners at Nobu, etc, then say it. NY is a big city, the big city, and there is room for you too.
« on: April 13, 2007, 09:42:10 AM »
It seems this thread has presented two extremes of Manhattan real estate. If you're comign from out of town, and you don't know anyone, you are NOT going to find a studio for $900 anywhere, let alone Chelsea, the West Village etc. At the same time, you would be friggin nuts to pay 2k-4k for a studio in Manhattan. The saying I've heard is, "If you live like a lawyer when you're a student, you'll live like a student when you're a lawyer." I'm a native New Yorker, unphased by the astronomical real esate prices, but I would not shell out $24k a yr (plus a huge fee) to live in a studio. There are plenty of areas in, but mostly around Manhattan (ie Brooklyn, Queens, NJ) where young people live who are students, artists, just starting out, where you can get a better deal. It really depends on where you are commuting to, but you should plan on some kind of commute-- 45minutes is not bad. I agree that CraigsList is not good for finding an apt outright, but if you don't have friends to live with, it is a great place to find a sublet.
« on: April 13, 2007, 09:32:24 AM »
to shift the conversation slightly...
chances at pt programs at Cardozo & Fordham:
Fordham- pt program lsat range: 160 - 163 , its the regular 4 year pt program.
Cardozo- pt lsat: 156 - 160. 3 year program; you start in the summer and do pt for the first year and finish the last 2 years in the normal schedule.
my info: gpa around the 3.0 area give or take 0.1, lsat i havent taken the real one yet but estimate to be in the high 150s or low 160s ...probably 158 - 162
If you break 160 it will open a few more doors and give you options beyond NYLS. I got a 159/161, 3.3 gpa from a CUNY school, and was admitted to BLS, Seton Hall ($$$), R-N and Dozo (early start, FT). I've been out of school for a bit so had some good soft factors, but you get the picture. Especially if you do well, both R-N and Seton Hall would be better choices than NYLS IMO.
« on: April 13, 2007, 09:14:03 AM »
The only way to pay 800-900 is to sublet a room. Go to Craigs List and starting emailing people. You will not be able to live on your own for that money. What school will you be commuting to?
« on: April 13, 2007, 09:11:23 AM »
Seton Hall is the way to go, but commuting from LI is going to a female dog. You will hate it. If you do Seton Hall, you should try to find a place to live in Jersey, either campus housing or Jersey City or Hoboken.
« on: April 12, 2007, 04:02:07 PM »
You'll get no pampering at Rutgers. You can probably brown bag a Bud tallboy on the corner but that's it. Seriously though, regarding the point of Rutger's slipping ranks, it seems to me that a big part of R-N, more than any other school I've looked into, is a serious committment to social justice. This translates, in part, to placing greater value than other schools on background, experience and personal committment to social justice. So they may take a person with a 158, who has a demonstrated committment to working in child advocacy over someone with a 162 who is fresh from the frat house and wants Big Law. Their application even asks if you want to be considered primarily on your LSAT/GPA or on your background and experience. I've heard (probaly on LSD) that the dean said something along the lines of,"We're not playing the ratings game." I've become jaded by the slavish devotion to numbers and rankings that I've seen in the law school admissions process (even as every dean denounces the USNWR Countdown), so it is fairly refreshing and humane that R-N should take such a stance. I would not characterize it as slipping.
That said, if you are anti-social justice (
R-N may not be the place for you.
« on: April 12, 2007, 01:06:11 PM »
No matter what happens, you're going to pay a boatload of money to live in or around NYC. The cheapest bet would be to sublet a room in someone's apartment, and the best place for that info. is Craigs List. The commute to Dozo from basically anywhere in Manhattan is pretty simple (Dozo is blocks away from Union Square which is a hub of subway lines) and Brooklyn is not far off either. The L train into Williamsburg is easy. The further you go into Brooklyn, obviously the longer your commute gets. The other option is Jersey; I'll be commuting from Hoboken and the PATH train from there is cinch into the village, again just blocks away from Dozo. Prices in Hoboken may not be considerably cheaper but it's different lifestyle; it is its own small city and feels like it, rather than a neighborhood in a larger metropolis. I am a somewhat reluctant Hoboken resident, but it has grown on me and has lots to offer. I've lived all over NY, got my undergrad here, Brooklyn native etc. so if you have any specfics questions let me know.
« on: April 10, 2007, 03:08:17 PM »
I was admitted to the May full-time program (PT May takes one less class over the summer), and I am leaning heavily toward accepting the offer. Besides the fact that I didnt get any $$$ from Dozo, the drawback to the May start is the suddeness of starting law school-- I generally figured I would have the summer to prep and save-- but now that it's staring me down, the opportunity may be too good to pass up. I believe the PT program just takes one less class (elements of law i think) than FT, so you may want to consider switching to the FT May start. The benefits, as I see them and as I've been told are that you graduate in 2.5 yrs; you can start taking elective during what is still considered your first year (which can help in getting jobs during 1L summer); the class size wont be any smaller but it seems there is some special camraderie to the early starters; when everyone else shows up in sept for their first day of law school, you'll already have taken a bunch of classes. This is based on my own research and what Dozo has told me, so be warned, but i am pretty excited to stop all this agonizing and get on with it.
I'm already in the NY area, so my main concern with the May start is leaving my job much sooner than I expected, lining up the funds to pay for school and trying to resolve my oustanding appliations (I am still waiting to hear from Fordham PT). Like I said though, I will most likely be there come May.
« on: April 10, 2007, 10:59:48 AM »
I am still waiting to hear back on Fordham PT (I dont think it's going to happen), but I am seriously leaning towards the May start at Dozo. My other options are regular, full-time at Brooklyn, Rutgers-N($$) or Seton Hall ($$$). The location and the facilities at Cardozo really impressed me. The admin. folks have been great. The only drawback for me is that the May start is very sudden and the lack of $$$. Do you know anyone who has done or is considering the May start?