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For those with just the JD has anyone know anyone to call themselves Doctor with it? Is so with what result?

Chuck Norris usually stops by for a swift roundhouse kick to the face.

But seriously, I don't know anyone who would call himself or herself a doctor by virtue of the JD.  Probably because nobody cares, and it doesn't matter.

Current Law Students / Re: Just Learned 6 Firms Out of my OCI
« on: July 18, 2009, 12:10:00 PM »
Gulc [has] 475 offices this year

Good luck guys.

Holy sh!t.  We have 27 and dropping!

One of my friends just transferred to Chicago and was in awe at how awesome their OCI was.  All you T14 kids must be doing great!

Oh, that makes me feel better.

I'm sure you're in a better position than most.

Current Law Students / Re: Just Learned 6 Firms Out of my OCI
« on: July 18, 2009, 07:05:31 AM »
I'm curious what T20 school has so few vault firms coming?

Is WUSTL still T20?

Current Law Students / Re: Journal Choices
« on: July 16, 2009, 06:51:53 PM »
My question is does it really matter which I choose? Do future employers care about how prestigious the journal is or are they just happy you write for one?

I also thought I should mention. One of them is law review the other is a specialty journal :). thanks.

Most employers will view law review > other journal.  I'd say go ahead and take it.  If you have any desire to clerk or teach, definitely take law review.

You probably couldn't go wrong with either decision.

But this article has some decent advice.

Online Law Schools / Re: Online JD for legal writing?
« on: July 13, 2009, 08:20:15 PM »
How do you plan to work in the "legal writing field" without practicing law?  The only legal writing jobs (that I can think of) that don't require practicing are professor and law clerk, both of which would require an ABA-approved law school.  Unless you would like to work as a paralegal... but then I'd suggest getting a paralegal certificate rather than a non-ABA-approved law degree.  Firms do not often hire lawyers to work as paralegals.

Job Search / Re: Studying for the BAR, huge DEBT, no JOB, WHAT DO DO?
« on: July 05, 2009, 03:59:11 PM »
you are not alone. there are hundreds of law students who are currently studying for the bar, without jobs and with thousands of $ in debt. the few jobs went to students at the tier 1 schools. they are not feeling it like we are at the tier 2 schools. most of the student loans can be deferred until employment, luckily. hang in there and try not to think about anything but the bar exam for now. then in August, think about getting a part-time job while still looking for full-time legal work. i also wish there was some statistics showing the number of unemployed recent law grads.

More like "thousands" than hundreds.  And it's not just tier 2 and below feeling the burn in this economy.  Plenty of tier 1 students are entering (and will be leaving) their third year without a job.  In an e-mail to its students, Georgetown recently warned that offer rates at firms would be drastically low this year, and even many offers would be for deferred employment to begin in 2011.

I didn't transfer, so I don't have great advice for approaching profs/deans, but my guess is that you shouldn't worry too much about it.  Cooley has about 12% of its 1L class transfer.  That makes me think that profs/deans are not taking active steps to hinder the abilities of its students to transfer.  But I dunno.  You always hear stories about someone trying to transfer getting bad grades...

Is your 2L year going to be busier than the average 2L year?

The benefits will probably outweigh the costs.

I'm assuming since you mentioned clerkships that you are going for DOJ or something along those lines. Your grades do have to be higher to get those kinds of jobs, but if you have something else going for you like Moot Court or law review it will even itself out.

I disagree that DOJ is an option for anyone with sub-median grades from Cardozo, even with law review or generic moot court experience.  Although, stellar moot court performance and increasing grades to top 25% could make a difference.

From my understanding government positions are, generally speaking, not as concerned about your grades and school reputation when compared with private firms. The exception would be the high legal positions with the government like the US Attorney's office.

All employers care about grades and school reputation.  The difference is that government pays much less, so typically students with top grades and top reputation do not work at government jobs.  The self-selection involved with students' decisions does not necessarily mean government employers care less about these factors.  But government employers typically have to be less picky because most of the high-grade and high-school reputation students prefer to find work elsewhere.  But all else being equal, government litigation departments generally look to those who already have some litigation skills (as evidence by courses, externships, clinical, moot court, etc.).

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