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What's your point?

This section of LSD is about the 3L job search.  I just listed some available jobs for those who are searching for employment in Texas.  Isn't that enough?

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Texas Supreme Court (Austin, TX)
Will begin accepting applications September 8 for 2010 term.  $44,216 / year.
http://www.supreme.courts.state.tx.us/jobs/LawClerkJobDescription2009-2010.htm

Texas First Court of Appeals (Houston, TX)
Now accepting applications for 2009 term.  $50,000 / year.
http://www.1stcoa.courts.state.tx.us/jobs/LawClerkJune09.pdf

Texas Third Court of Appeals (Austin, TX)
Now accepting applications for 2010 term.  $42,000 / year.
http://www.3rdcoa.courts.state.tx.us/jobs/lawclerkI.htm

Texas Fourth Court of Appeals (San Antonio, TX)
Now accepting applications for 2010 term.  $50,500 / year.
http://www.4thcoa.courts.state.tx.us/jobs/2010LawClerk.pdf

Texas Eighth Court of Appeals (El Paso, TX)
Now accepting applications for 2010 term.  $50,000 / year.
http://www.8thcoa.courts.state.tx.us/jobs/LawClerk-McClure.pdf

Texas Fourteenth Court of Appeals (Houston, TX)
Now accepting applications for 2010 term.  $50,000 / year.
http://www.14thcoa.courts.state.tx.us/jobs/Flyer2010-2011.pdf

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General Board / Re: How many credits to take with Law Review?
« on: August 11, 2009, 07:51:44 PM »
LR + interview season = 4 classes.

THIS!  Depends on your school, but I had over 300 hours of non-note work for law review that semester.  I took only 10 hours of actual classes.  Thank goodness.

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2L job search / Re: I didn't get an offer from my summer employer...
« on: August 11, 2009, 07:47:11 PM »
Throw your hat in the clerkship ring.  Consider state courts.

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General Board / Re: Law Review Topics?
« on: August 11, 2009, 07:45:43 PM »
To complement the excellent suggestions by the other posters, you may want to look at recent reported decisions from courts of appeals in your circuit.  Any three-member panel with a dissent will likely have an interesting issue with two reasonable viewpoints

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2L job search / Re: Super Confused - Firm, Judge, etc?
« on: August 09, 2009, 11:12:12 AM »
For your second summer, your best strategy is to work somewhere, anywhere that might be able to hire you after law school. If the employer doesn't hire fresh law grads, or it's post-grad hiring is vastly more competitive than a 2L summer internship, I would seek 2L summer employment elsewhere.

+1 to this.  If you're set on clerking, think of your 2L summer employer as "insurance."  If your clerkship applications don't pan out, you want to have an alternative plan. 

But you could also try to spend half the summer with a firm and the other half with a circuit judge.  I think this would be a good plan.  With no journal, you really need to distinguish yourself for clerkship applications.  If that's not some bigwig making a phone call on your behalf, try to get something published, or do one or more additional judicial internships.

As for your chances, I agree with others.  But even state appellate clerkships could be difficult to get without any journal experience.

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I think vap has the best of this argument.

I got a thumbs up from Miss P?  I feel famous.  ;D

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Holy hell.  This thread jumped seven pages in a day?  LSD has some life blood in it after all...

I haven't read them yet, but I'll respond.

MSU easily.

http://www.law.com/img/nlj/charts/composite.pdf

I don't see how the NLJ placement stats (or the employment stats in general, excluding academic attrition and transfers) support choosing MSU.  MSU's 3% NLJ placement, compared to Cooley's 0%, doesn't justify the transfer, IMO. 


It's not about the left side of the graph, it's about the right and the middle. MSU doesn't get people into prestigious firms at any great rate, but they do get them through school and into jobs at a much greater rate than Cooley.

I believe if OP can hold it down at Cooley, they can probably hold it down at MSU.

I think the attrition rate and transfer rate are not relevant now that "the friend" is a 2L with law review and moot court opportunities in hand.  I'm not very familiar with the Michigan hiring scene, but my guess is that a Cooley grad with law review and moot court is likely to secure a job easier than an MSU grad without either of those qualifications.

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MSU easily.

http://www.law.com/img/nlj/charts/composite.pdf

I don't see how the NLJ placement stats (or the employment stats in general, excluding academic attrition and transfers) support choosing MSU.  MSU's 3% NLJ placement, compared to Cooley's 0%, doesn't justify the transfer, IMO. 

So the question is, would you stay at Cooley with LR, Moot Court, and a 25% scholarship, or would you jump ship to MSU and have none of that?

Cooley.  I think the $20K less debt, law review, and moot court turn the table on the lower reputation.  And this isn't even considering the unknown possibilities, all of which are unlikely at MSU: higher class rank due to transfers, law review editorial board, publishing note/comment, moot court board, high placement at moot court tournament, good references/letters from 1L professors, social networks gained through moot court / law review / 1L year.  Job prospects from both schools will not be great. 

MSU's marginally better employment prospects don't justify the jump, in my opinion.  At least with law review and moot court at Cooley, your friend has some credibility.  She'll be a nobody at MSU.  Better to be a big fish in a small pond rather than just another fish in a slightly larger pond.  If your friend was transferring to some random tier 2 or tier 1 school, the move would probably be worth it.  But I don't see the move being worth $20K, law review, and moot court.

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Thomas M. Cooley / Re: Why do people give Cooley such a hard time?
« on: August 02, 2009, 02:32:14 AM »
I know from first hand experience that we had alot more than four OCIs from Michigan firms in previous years.

Only a small subset of law firms are NALP firms.  But typically the "best" firms (i.e., highest paying) are on NALP.  Thus, many prospective students do not care about non-NALP firms.

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