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General Board / Re: In Pro Res Now, Take MPRE in November??
« on: September 19, 2009, 10:43:27 AM »
PR is required fall 3L year at my school, but a lot of people take the exam in August before the class.  Others take it in November.  I'm planning to take it in March.

From what I've heard, the exam is relatively easy.  Most people I've talked to who took the exam in August (before the class) have passed it.  People who passed told me they studied for a weekend or in the evenings the week leading up to the exam.

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Bar Exam / What is a good price for one-year-old BarBri books?
« on: September 12, 2009, 04:50:43 PM »
Does anyone know what a fair price would be for one-year-old BarBri books?

I'm graduating this year, and I'm thinking of self studying with the BarBri books from the July 2009 / February 2010 bar exam.  I saw last year someone posted on LSD about paying $150 for the books, but I see on eBay that books from the July 2009 exam are going for $400 - $600 (maybe because it's so soon after the exam, even before results have come back).  I think students can turn their books back in to BarBri at the end of the course for $250.  Anybody have any ideas on what I should pay (and whether I should wait until after the July 2009 results come back to purchase because maybe people will be more willing to sell after they find out they have passed and don't need the books)?

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2L job search / Re: Prestigious Government Internship Suggestions? Insight?
« on: September 12, 2009, 02:38:13 PM »
Ah, nice re: SDNY.  I was looking at the DOJ voluteer intern page. 

You might also consider the Antitrust Division.  They have a field office in NYC; from what I understand, all the field offices do criminal work (white collar type stuff).

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General Board / Re: NOT going to class
« on: September 12, 2009, 11:54:51 AM »
Short of going to a TTT where they keep track of attendance and have quizzes and what not, most higher ranked schools are pretty standard. 

What TTT schools have regular quizzes?

As for attendance, I can understand that.  The ABA requires law schools to ensure that students attend class.  ABA Standard 304(d), available at http://www.abanet.org/legaled/standards/2009-2010%20StandardsWebContent/Chapter3.pdf.

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2L job search / Re: Prestigious Government Internship Suggestions? Insight?
« on: September 12, 2009, 11:35:13 AM »
Hi,

Anyone have any insight into what some of the more prestigious Gov internships are?  I am interested in white collar crime and trying to target potential agencies for a summer position.  I know the USAO SDNY is rather coveted, but not sure what else there is or what the hieracrhy is (in NY region).  Sorry so broad, but just starting out.  Any help is greatly appreciated.

It's difficult to organize them all by prestige.  Really, you should just find one that's best for you.  USAO SDNY might be prestigious---I have no idea if it really is for interns rather than attorneys.  However, many USAO interns probably don't work on white collar crime.  Those cases are rare, complex, and often require years of investigation and preparation. 

But anyway, according to the DOJ website, SDNY doesn't regularly take interns.  Maybe they make exceptions for people with connections, though.  I dunno.


EDNY hires interns, so you might want to check that out.

In NYC, I don't think you're going to find too many other federal criminal opportunities.  IRS has a CC office in NYC.  They do mostly civil work (practice in front of the Tax Court), and criminal cases go to the DOJ Tax Division in DC.  But you might get to work on pre-indictment criminal cases.  You'd have to check with them to be sure, though.

Working for a U.S. district judge in NYC would be a good option; same for NY Court of Appeals.  Also, check with the local DA offices if you want to do criminal work.


There is the DOJ, but that ship has sailed if you have not already applied.

The ship has sailed for SLIP positions, but volunteer positions are still available.
http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/arm/int/legalinternjq.htm

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General Board / Re: Applying to the Bar, Am I F'd? A poll...
« on: September 07, 2009, 10:36:16 AM »
Are you now able to get transcripts from your first school?  Or do you still owe the money?  If you disclose your attendance, I believe you will need to provide LSDAS with your transcript.

But you simply can not omit the first school from your law school application.  If you do this, you are setting yourself up for a probationary period from your state bar, which means you will have to wait several years before you take the bar.  They might even prevent you from sitting for the bar permanently.  Although unlikely, your law school might also be able to revoke your degree if the school finds out.

Stop living with this lie.  If you go forward and come clean, you will be able to put this all behind you.  You will have a J.D. that was not obtained with a lie.  I'm not sure how transparent you have to be about you omitting this information from your prior undergraduate and graduate school applications.  Your law school application probably won't ask questions that would require you to disclose that you lied to three other schools.  However, at least some applications will probably ask you if you have ever been forced to resign or withdraw from a school.  Depending on how this question is worded (whether it's only for academic purposes, or for any reason whatsoever), you will likely have to disclose the fact that you were required to withdraw from a school because of financial reasons (and you will need to submit an addendum to your application that describes the situation and the resolution, if any).

I don't think the initial withdrawal / financial matter will have a huge impact on your admission to law school (assuming the debt has been discharged or paid off).  If the law school application would require you to disclose that you lied to obtain your prior degrees, then so be it; maybe that will negatively impact your law school application.  But if you lie on your law school application or to the state bar, then game over.

But yeah, you should talk with an attorney about this matter.  There are some who specialize in lawyer ethics.

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Pre-Law in high school / Re: Considering Law School
« on: September 06, 2009, 08:09:59 PM »
You won't have a "major" in law school, so any school should afford you an opportunity to study intellectual property and the law as it relates to media.  Some schools may have stronger programs (more classes, clinics, etc.).

This website has all the general information about applying and choosing a law school: http://www.lsac.org/

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2L job search / Re: Clerkship for 2L Summer, When to Apply??
« on: September 06, 2009, 01:00:56 PM »
I would recommend waiting to apply until October; maybe November.  If you apply in September, your application could get lost in the shuffle because of the clerkship hiring season.  I applied to circuit judges in August when I was a 2L, and one of the judges sent me a rejection for a clerkship (that is, a paid, post-grad, one-year clerkship). 

I would make sure you say in your cover letter that you would like an internship--not a clerkship.  Although some legal professionals refer to part-time or summer work as a "clerkship," this term specifically refers to paid, post-grad employment with a judge. 

You should send your applications directly to each judge.

FYI, in the past Judge Bohm in Houston hired a ton of interns each summer (several dozen), and I believe Judge Isgur also hires some interns.  I'm not sure about the other bankruptcy judges.  I definitely recommend interning for a federal judge in Houston.  There are a lot of interns over the summer and some great events (lunches with judges/clerks and a reception at a judge's house).  Most of the district judges take interns, as well.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Get into Tier 1?
« on: September 04, 2009, 09:24:43 PM »
You have a good chance at some top schools (top 14).  Your tier 3 undergrad or pass/fail classes will not have much (if any) impact on your applications.

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I think something that might be helpful to students is what schools in tier 2/3/4 offer UNCONDITIONAL scholarships. I know there are a few, but most require a certain GPA after 1L to keep the $$$.

I tried to get this list going a few years ago:
http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/students/index.php/topic,97432.msg2471728.html#msg2471728

I stopped bumping, and people stopped posting, though.

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