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Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: texas law schools
« on: October 16, 2009, 02:48:26 PM »
I would guess this result:

UT - rejected
UH - accepted; probably with a small scholarship
SMU - accepted; maybe a small scholarship (maybe $10K/annual or less)
Baylor - accepted; probably with a 1/2 tuition scholarship (maybe more)
Every other school - accepted with full scholarship.

Good luck!

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Current Law Students / Re: In a pickle
« on: October 15, 2009, 08:15:54 PM »
Sure, some applications purport to require disclosure of expunged information.

Applications do not "purport to require" anything.  They either require or do not require.


Let me just qualify my previous post, and add that it doesn't "necessarily" need to be disclosed.

As blueskies suggested, unless the application specifically says you should omit expunged incidents, you must include these incidents.

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suggestions = 1) apply to a lot of schools, 2) apply to schools as if your LSAT was five points higher than whatever it is.

You have a shot at UT with your current score (but not great).  I knew someone with about a 155 that got in (Mexican descent).  If you score in the 162-167 range, I think you have a great shot.

Good luck.

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What [low-ranked] private schools place in 20 plus states?  That's just wrong.  Regional schools are just that, regional.  Which is all well and good, but law school is expensive.  To each their own, but it's a fact that a lot of students going to lower ranked schools regret their decision down the road.

E.g.

Cooley - 42.  http://officialguide.lsac.org/SearchResults/SchoolPage_PDFs/ABA_LawSchoolData/ABA1796.pdf
Ave Maria - 24.  http://officialguide.lsac.org/SearchResults/SchoolPage_PDFs/ABA_LawSchoolData/ABA1801.pdf
Catholic - 20.  http://officialguide.lsac.org/SearchResults/SchoolPage_PDFs/ABA_LawSchoolData/ABA5104.pdf
Drake - 23.  http://officialguide.lsac.org/SearchResults/SchoolPage_PDFs/ABA_LawSchoolData/ABA6168.pdf

Are you kidding?  Cooley is a joke, as is Ave Maria and Drake.  Catholic also struggles for legal placement, even within it's regional area because it's the number 5 school in an already saturated market.

Just because a student succeeds every now and then doesn't mean you should go there.  Statistics will catch up to you.  You aren't that shining star....

Your question had nothing to do with succeeding or being a shining star.  You asked for a list of "crap private schools [that] place in 20 plus states."  I listed four low-ranked school that placed in 20+ states according to data reported to ABA.

Maybe you and Ninja are just arguing past each other about "national presence."  One definition of national presence = a top law school.  Another definition of national presence = graduates work in many different states.

Schools that are high ranked and have national presence probably have national presence because students from all over the country want to attend.  Many of those students return to their home state after attending the top school and are able to find great jobs with large law firms.

But plenty of other schools also have "national presence" in the sense that students from across the country decide to attend, either because they received a scholarship, couldn't get in to the better schools in their home state, or for some other reason.  Those students are also likely to return to their home states--but of course, the key difference is that these students are not making high $$$.

Key:
Where students work geographically has more to do with students' preferences rather than reputation of school.
What type of jobs students can get has more to do with school reputation rather than student preferences.

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What [low-ranked] private schools place in 20 plus states?  That's just wrong.  Regional schools are just that, regional.  Which is all well and good, but law school is expensive.  To each their own, but it's a fact that a lot of students going to lower ranked schools regret their decision down the road.

E.g.

Cooley - 42.  http://officialguide.lsac.org/SearchResults/SchoolPage_PDFs/ABA_LawSchoolData/ABA1796.pdf
Ave Maria - 24.  http://officialguide.lsac.org/SearchResults/SchoolPage_PDFs/ABA_LawSchoolData/ABA1801.pdf
Catholic - 20.  http://officialguide.lsac.org/SearchResults/SchoolPage_PDFs/ABA_LawSchoolData/ABA5104.pdf
Drake - 23.  http://officialguide.lsac.org/SearchResults/SchoolPage_PDFs/ABA_LawSchoolData/ABA6168.pdf

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Current Law Students / Re: Ask Judge for Fewer Work Hours???
« on: September 24, 2009, 05:34:13 PM »
If you want to work fewer hours, then ask.  But, objectively speaking, 8 hours seems pretty low.  Maybe try for 12 or 15.

Just curious, when you say "local circuit judge," are you referring to a U.S. circuit judge or a state/county judge (some states refer to their local/state trial-level judges as "circuit judge").

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Current Law Students / Re: Follow a new Solo
« on: September 22, 2009, 10:49:57 PM »
I considered going solo before law school.  I read Foonberg's book and followed the Build a Solo blog.  I haven't ruled it out, but I'm clerking for (at least) a few years first.  Law school has also made me more cautious about solo practice.  It would be so easy to screw up a case because of inexperience when there's no "safety net" of the other attorneys in the office.  I understand, though, that most lawyers will take the time to help new solos.

I have some questions, too:

How much do adult misdemeanor "list" cases pay and how often will you get them (for non-Spanish speaker, if you know the answer)?

What are your start-up and first-year budgets looking like?

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Current Law Students / Re: Bored already
« on: September 21, 2009, 04:16:23 PM »
I found 1L (and to a certain extent 2L) classes very boring.  But working over the summer was fantastic.  There's such a big difference between "Here, read these cases and find the rule" and "I have an issue; can you help me find the answer?"

Hang in there.

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Current Law Students / Re: Why this board sucks
« on: September 19, 2009, 10:51:07 AM »
Times have changed and traffic has dropped. No need for vitriol.
Has the "age" of posters on LSD changed at all?  It just seems like people looking for jobs (2ls/3ls) spend more time talking about the job market.  Discussing hypotheticals or arguing the law on a message board is a waste of time and exercise in futility.

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Current Law Students / Re: In Pro Res Now, Take MPRE in November??
« on: September 19, 2009, 08:43:27 AM »
PR is required fall 3L year at my school, but a lot of people take the exam in August before the class.  Others take it in November.  I'm planning to take it in March.

From what I've heard, the exam is relatively easy.  Most people I've talked to who took the exam in August (before the class) have passed it.  People who passed told me they studied for a weekend or in the evenings the week leading up to the exam.

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