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Where should I go next fall? / Re: anecdotes about texas law schools
« on: October 16, 2009, 11:44:53 PM »
Here is my ranking of TX law schools:

Tier 1 = UT
Tier 2 = UH, SMU
Tier 3 = Baylor
Tier 4 = TTU, South Texas
Tier 5 = the rest

Between UH and SMU, whichever is cheaper is a better option unless you have strong ties to either city.  (27% of lawyers in Dallas County attended SMU compared to 3% from UH; but 25% of lawyers in Harris County attended UH compared to 2% from SMU).  Both schools have similar biglaw placement.

I rank UH higher than Baylor because it places about twice as many lawyers in biglaw and costs less (although my guess is that many people with an acceptance to UH will get some scholarship money from Baylor).

TTU and South Texas is a tossup depending on where you want to work.  TTU has a slightly higher attrition rate but slightly higher biglaw placement (not enough to really make a difference).  The major difference is location.  South Texas is in a major metro area, and one out of every four lawyers in Harris County is a South Texas graduate.

I'd say that any school in one tier below can be a better option than a school one tier above if you have a full ride (e.g., TTU full ride > Baylor full price; Baylor full ride > UH full price).  This suggestion might not apply to UT, although some people at UH and SMU with full rides were admitted to UT.

Where attorneys practice info (and a whole lot more):
Biglaw placement (outdated, but still useful):

I don't have many anecdotes, except that I got a bad "vibe" from Baylor when I visited a few years ago.  But I know a lot of Baylor grads, and they are all awesome people.  I also have a feeling that TTU's applicant pool will suffer a bit if/when the University of North Texas opens a law school (supposedly happening soon), assuming that North Texas will have similar tuition.  Except for TTU, it will be the only public law school north of Austin (and Dallas > Lubbock).

Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: texas law schools
« on: October 16, 2009, 04:48:26 PM »
I would guess this result:

UT - rejected
UH - accepted; probably with a small scholarship
SMU - accepted; maybe a small scholarship (maybe $10K/annual or less)
Baylor - accepted; probably with a 1/2 tuition scholarship (maybe more)
Every other school - accepted with full scholarship.

Good luck!

General Board / Re: In a pickle
« on: October 15, 2009, 10:15:54 PM »
Sure, some applications purport to require disclosure of expunged information.

Applications do not "purport to require" anything.  They either require or do not require.

Let me just qualify my previous post, and add that it doesn't "necessarily" need to be disclosed.

As blueskies suggested, unless the application specifically says you should omit expunged incidents, you must include these incidents.

Minority Topics / Re: what's my best shot at a good school?
« on: September 29, 2009, 08:01:54 PM »
suggestions = 1) apply to a lot of schools, 2) apply to schools as if your LSAT was five points higher than whatever it is.

You have a shot at UT with your current score (but not great).  I knew someone with about a 155 that got in (Mexican descent).  If you score in the 162-167 range, I think you have a great shot.

Good luck.

What [low-ranked] private schools place in 20 plus states?  That's just wrong.  Regional schools are just that, regional.  Which is all well and good, but law school is expensive.  To each their own, but it's a fact that a lot of students going to lower ranked schools regret their decision down the road.


Cooley - 42.
Ave Maria - 24.
Catholic - 20.
Drake - 23.

Are you kidding?  Cooley is a joke, as is Ave Maria and Drake.  Catholic also struggles for legal placement, even within it's regional area because it's the number 5 school in an already saturated market.

Just because a student succeeds every now and then doesn't mean you should go there.  Statistics will catch up to you.  You aren't that shining star....

Your question had nothing to do with succeeding or being a shining star.  You asked for a list of "crap private schools [that] place in 20 plus states."  I listed four low-ranked school that placed in 20+ states according to data reported to ABA.

Maybe you and Ninja are just arguing past each other about "national presence."  One definition of national presence = a top law school.  Another definition of national presence = graduates work in many different states.

Schools that are high ranked and have national presence probably have national presence because students from all over the country want to attend.  Many of those students return to their home state after attending the top school and are able to find great jobs with large law firms.

But plenty of other schools also have "national presence" in the sense that students from across the country decide to attend, either because they received a scholarship, couldn't get in to the better schools in their home state, or for some other reason.  Those students are also likely to return to their home states--but of course, the key difference is that these students are not making high $$$.

Where students work geographically has more to do with students' preferences rather than reputation of school.
What type of jobs students can get has more to do with school reputation rather than student preferences.

What [low-ranked] private schools place in 20 plus states?  That's just wrong.  Regional schools are just that, regional.  Which is all well and good, but law school is expensive.  To each their own, but it's a fact that a lot of students going to lower ranked schools regret their decision down the road.


Cooley - 42.
Ave Maria - 24.
Catholic - 20.
Drake - 23.

General Board / Re: Ask Judge for Fewer Work Hours???
« on: September 24, 2009, 07:34:13 PM »
If you want to work fewer hours, then ask.  But, objectively speaking, 8 hours seems pretty low.  Maybe try for 12 or 15.

Just curious, when you say "local circuit judge," are you referring to a U.S. circuit judge or a state/county judge (some states refer to their local/state trial-level judges as "circuit judge").

General Board / Re: Follow a new Solo
« on: September 23, 2009, 12:49:57 AM »
I considered going solo before law school.  I read Foonberg's book and followed the Build a Solo blog.  I haven't ruled it out, but I'm clerking for (at least) a few years first.  Law school has also made me more cautious about solo practice.  It would be so easy to screw up a case because of inexperience when there's no "safety net" of the other attorneys in the office.  I understand, though, that most lawyers will take the time to help new solos.

I have some questions, too:

How much do adult misdemeanor "list" cases pay and how often will you get them (for non-Spanish speaker, if you know the answer)?

What are your start-up and first-year budgets looking like?

General Board / Re: Bored already
« on: September 21, 2009, 06:16:23 PM »
I found 1L (and to a certain extent 2L) classes very boring.  But working over the summer was fantastic.  There's such a big difference between "Here, read these cases and find the rule" and "I have an issue; can you help me find the answer?"

Hang in there.

General Board / Re: Why this board sucks
« on: September 19, 2009, 12:51:07 PM »
Times have changed and traffic has dropped. No need for vitriol.
Has the "age" of posters on LSD changed at all?  It just seems like people looking for jobs (2ls/3ls) spend more time talking about the job market.  Discussing hypotheticals or arguing the law on a message board is a waste of time and exercise in futility.

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