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Mine took several weeks. Close to three or four.

As far judicial externships, they are very competitive. McGeorge offers full time and part time externships with various judges in Sacramento (so you get either 12 or 6 units for your work). These take place during the school year, so you will be competing with Davis students (although there are some summer positions too, and for those you will compete with more than just Davis). These are tough to get, though. I just sent my apps out so hopefully I at least get a couple interviews.

Thanks! Very helpful information.  When will you find out?  Do you know if a certain number of McGeorge students get these internships every semester?

That bread smell comes from the bread factory next door (it's Sara Lee and Rainbow). Every once in a while you'll get a waft of fresh-baked bread smell, which I actually like. 

That explains it!  I couldn't quite put my finger on it, and I didn't see the factory in plain view.  I thought the smell was pretty rampant the whole time I was there - maybe the wind was just right.  It wasn't an offensive odor - I just wasn't used to it.  I didn't want to be rude and say to the tour guide "Hey, your school kind of smells." lol. 

Where should I go next fall? / Re: What to wear when visiting schools
« on: January 30, 2007, 11:40:34 PM »
If you're on a tour and haven't been accepted or awarded any scholarships: business casual.

I haven't been to an admitted students day, so I'm not sure what the protocol is for that.  I'd probably wear business casual as well just to be safe.

My rule of thumb: better to be slightly overdressed.

It only costs $12 (to send your LSAC report) if you apply through UP's website.

Financial Aid / Re: More than 6 schools - Fafsa
« on: January 29, 2007, 04:46:41 PM »
Does anyone other than me think Financial Aid applications aresignificantly worse than actual law school applications? 

I just got my SAR -- how long should I wait before calling my schools to see if the got my infor so I can add another six schools?  A week?

According to the Federal Student Aid processing center, you don't even need to wait 5 minutes.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Investing your cash.
« on: January 29, 2007, 03:35:45 PM »
I've been lending on for the past six months and have had no defaults or late payments to date.  I'm earning between 8% and 29% per loan (my average APY is 13%).

One of the best things about lending is that you get your principal repaid in monthly installments (whereas the money you put in a stock/bond has to stay in that security until you sell it).

By hedging your loans in $50 increments across multiple credit score categories, you can ensure a pretty solid return.  Overall, though, this seems like a risky endeavor given that Peer-2-Peer lending is in its infancy.

Here's a summary from their website:

I am also a big fan of ROTH IRAs.  There are income limitations, though, so be careful.  Another benefit of the ROTH IRA is that you can withdraw your contributions without penalty at any time.  You can also withdraw your earnings tax and penalty free for the purchase of your first home (up to a certain amount) as long as you have had a ROTH IRA for 5 years (beginning on the first day of the year for which you contributed).  You have up until April 15 of this year to make your contribution for last year (contributions made between January 1 and April 15 can be applied retroactively).

Of course, always contribute to your company's retirement plan if they match contributions.  If you're young, you can transfer your company's plan to a ROTH IRA directly beginning in 2008.

I learned a lot about investing and financial planning from

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Add a word
« on: January 29, 2007, 02:49:14 PM »

I'm thinking about Legal Scholars Day as well.  I visited back before being accepted.  I thought the campus whas pretty nice compared to a lot of other low T2 and T3 schools.  It's the first and only tour I went on that was not given by a student, which I thought was less helpful.

One weird question: Do any of y'all think the campus area has a distinct smell?  Is there a paper or food factory nearby?  It kind of smelled like baking bread.  Is that because of the cafeteria on campus?

What do you current students know about the judicial internships advertised on the website? Are any positions guarenteed to McGeorge students or are they completely competitive with other law schools?

Where should I go next fall? / Re: DoJ school choices?
« on: January 29, 2007, 09:59:32 AM »
Is DOJ like the FBI/CIA in terms of security clearence reqs? 

I'm not sure of the exact "levels" of clearance, but those agencies are much stricter.  They typically require a polygraph.  Other litigation agencies of DOJ typically do not require a polygraph.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: DoJ school choices?
« on: January 28, 2007, 06:48:38 PM »
Great information. Does anyone know much about the summer internship program? I'm specifically interested in working with the Antitrust Division in Atlanta. I'm top 20% at a low T1 with an educational background in finance and business. Do any of you know what they would be looking for with interns?

One of the attorneys I work with interviewed candidates for both honors program and internships.  So, I assume they look for the same things: good grades, law review, moot court, previous internships / work experience.  I'm not aware of any specific requirements or grade cutoffs for interns.  Our summer interns last year came from American, Tulane, Columbia, and Georgetown.

Similar to firm summer associates, DOJ summer interns often return to the DOJ after law school.  However, landing a summer internship is definitely not as much of a "free ride" into employment after law school.  The interns (at least in my section) aren't asked to come back - they have to apply again through the honors program.  However, you generate a DOJ performance review file, so if you do good summer work it should be known to your honors program interviewers.  If anyone on these boards has worked as an intern and had a different experience (i.e. was specifically asked to come back), I would be most interested in the news.

Summer internships are unpaid.  But again, this may be different with each agency.  Our section provides a $1000 travel budget per intern.  So, you will likely have opportunities to travel for  trials/depositions/expert meetings/etc.

Because 1) the internships are unpaid, and 2) internships do not guarantee honors program employment, the attorney-interviewer I mentioned earlier told me that it is much more advantageous for 2L students to take a high-paying firm job in the summer (if they have the opportunity) rather than come to DOJ.  This does two things: 1) puts an early dent in your debt, which will be a must if you start off at $60K with DOJ, and 2) lines up your alternative employer if your honors program application doesn't work out.  If you intern as a 2L for DOJ, you're putting all your eggs in one basket because you apply for the honors program as a 3L.  If you can intern the summer after your first year, that would be ideal.

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