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tag. Iowa does lottery for externships - not sure about OCI.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Not being a lawyer
« on: February 06, 2007, 02:38:39 PM »
There are jobs in the Departments of Commerce that would allow you to work on international trade issues.  The Department of State hires attorneys for international issues as well.

However, even if you don't want to be a "lawyer" (I assume you mean "litigator") then you might end up doing transactional work instead.

If you'd like to avoid both transaction and litigating jobs, you might want to look in to career judicial clerk positions or judicial staff attorney jobs.  For example, here are the job duties of a "Supreme Court Attorney" for the Supreme Court of California:
"- Review briefings in automatic appeals and habeas corpus matters and prepare memoranda that evaluate the issues, analyze the law applicable thereto, and offer recommendations for proper disposition;
- Prepare and review memoranda to the court concerning motions relating to both automatic appeals and habeas corpus petitions;
- Recommend and draft proposed changes in the court's published and internal policies and other written material to assist the court in responding to new legislation and judicial decisions;
- Provide advice and assistance to the court for improving the fair and efficient processing of all aspects of capital matters;
- Consult with attorneys and/or professional staff regarding capital and case related issues;
- Attend oral arguments;
- Serve on court committees as required; and
- Conduct special legal research and assignments when requested, including editing of work prepared by court externs.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: DoJ school choices?
« on: February 05, 2007, 01:54:09 PM »
So, it sounds like you can interview for the DoJ as a law clerk for work during your 1L Summer?  Is that correct?  I only ask because it sounds like working for the DoJ during your 2L Summer is riskier for future employment.

Also, does anyone know if you apply for these summer clerk positions with the DoJ via OCI or do you apply through the more-traditional (and, dare I say, convoluted, not to mention slow, process of the USAJobs Board).  Any insights would be appreciated.

:) Lisa

Yes, many DOJ agencies hire  1Ls for summer positions. You apply directly to the agency/division, but not through USAJobs as far as I'm aware of. Your school will be able to tell you if the DOJ does OCI, but I've never heard of it.

Volunteer positions:

SLIP (paid positions):

1Ls typically volunteer, and 2Ls typically are hired for SLIP positions, but there are exceptions to both norms. Some DOJ agencies/divisions (often the ones you would think of as a the most competitive/prestigious) only hire 2Ls for volunteer or SLIP positions.

Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: TOP 3 MOST UNDERRATED LAW SCHOOLS?!?!
« on: February 05, 2007, 10:58:47 AM »
First off, I agree with a previous poster that said very few of us have any right to say anything about the schools because most of us 1) haven't been to law school or 2) have only been to one law school. 

That being said, I think this is a really fun thread, and I'm throwing in my useless 2 cents. ha.

I'd say University of Houston (#70) and Texas Tech (TTT), at least when looking at job prospects and comparing them to the two higher ranked private schools in Texas (Baylor at #51 and SMU at #43).  In the previous 10 pages, someone suggested public schools suffer in the ranking game, and I agree.

I'll preface my support by saying my analysis focusses on job prospects, and I didn't really look at any faculty quality ratings (if they even exist for lower ranked schools).

Salaries (25/50/75) with % reporting (if, of course, you put any faith in USNWR numbers)
SMU ($52K, $77K, $123K) with 68% reporting.
Baylor ($55K, $70K, $105K) with 84% reporting.
Houston ($58K, $90K, $110K) with 78% reporting.
Texas Tech ($39K, $69K, $118K) with 72% reporting

The schools have similar bar passage rates (85% to 91%), similar regional appeal (86% to 96% stay in state), and similar employment rates (96% to 98% employed within nine months).

For anyone that can get in to these schools but not UT, Houston and and Texas Tech will almost always cost less (with Texas Tech providing quite a few full scholarship + $300/yr stipends).

Texans love Texans. If you go to school in Lubbock, you can find employment in Houston.  If you go to school in Houston, you can find employment in Dallas.  I do not believe the same can be said for lower-ranked schools in NYC and DC - they are not as portable within nearby metropolitan areas.  St. John's or NYLS looking for employment in Boston or DC? Catholic looking to go to NYC? Much less likely.

Texas has great legal markets for the private sector: Dallas and Houston, and to a lesser extent Austin.  There are plenty of opportunities for Biglaw and medium law. Money Magazine ranks three suburbs of Dallas Top25 best overall places to live in the United States (more than any other metropolitan area).

Cost of living in all these areas is low compared to similar-size legal markets in other parts of the country. The salaries above go a lot further in Dallas and Houston than the following New York schools in NYC:

Fordham ($96K, $125K, $125K) with 77% reporting.
Cardozo ($68K, $95K, $125K) with 65% reporting.
Brooklyn ($70K, $115K, $125K) with 45% reporting.
St. John's ($52K, $70K, $125K) with 60% reporting.

$125K in NYC is comparable to $54K in Houston, $57K in Dallas. I never put too much stock in the COL calculators, but I think they are generally a good guage (I currently work in DC, and my salary here goes a lot less distance).

Of course, I grew up in Texas, so I'm biased all around.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Federal Job and Advice on Law Schools
« on: February 04, 2007, 07:16:44 PM »
See this thread for advice about Department of Justice jobs.,81194.0.html

The very short answer to your question:
It's more important to succeed in law school (top 10%, law review, etc.) than what school you go to.  If you go to a lower-ranked school, though, try to get a judicial clerkship.  Many people are also hired laterally from private practice.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Clerkship Info/Stats
« on: February 04, 2007, 07:08:03 PM »

A true prestige whore would never say something has egalitarian as "they're all just as good". 

Big Mac >>>>>>>>> QuarTTTer Pounder w/ Cheese >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grilled Chicken Sandwich

Now that's how a true prestige whore would rate those sandwiches.

I stand completely corrected. ;)

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Clerkship Info/Stats
« on: February 04, 2007, 07:03:23 PM »
Here's a link to Mercer's handbook.  A list of clerks and courts/judges starts on page 26.

For the rest of the sub-T14 people on here like myself.   :P

General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: OFFICAL IOWA C/O 2010!
« on: February 04, 2007, 04:56:35 PM »
tag.  I received an acceptance in December but haven't heard anything back about scholarships.  Wondering if my LSAT is too low?  I am considering other schools but visiting Iowa this month...

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Clerkship Info/Stats
« on: February 04, 2007, 04:47:59 PM »
Schools usually keep lists and will provide if you ask.

This blog ( has info about appellate court clerks. Recent updates include a breakdown by school of what percentage clerks in US COA and which judges hired students from which schools for this past year. 

If you have access to Westlaw you can search the WLD-Judges database by school name to get an idea of how many alumni are judges.  I think Lexis has a similar database.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Mercer or Wake Forest
« on: February 02, 2007, 09:44:11 PM »

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