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« on: April 11, 2007, 12:29:56 PM »
Nobody will deny the presence of racism in SC, or the sheer ridiculousness of the fundamentalist wing of the state. However, this is the south, not just SC, and in the south there are plenty of redeeming qualities that make it not quite the hell y'all are describing. The trash of New York is just as ignorant/racist as the trash of South Carolina and Alabama. Not everyone sports a confederate flag and not everyone who does is racist. It's a symbol, and to some it means hate for sure. For others, it's just southern pride (for what it's worth, I didn't think it belonged on the state house and I don't own a confederate flag). If you're from here and see southern heritage as merely a tradition of racism, I hope that you can at least concede that it's not about that for everyone even if you perceive it to be the majority (I do not).
Let me also say that as antiquated and petty racism is, it is dying here just like everywhere else. We're behind down here, but progress is being made despite the Baptists' and Bob Jones' efforts to the contrary (in the city limits of Greenville we can even buy beer on Sunday!). My grandparents are racist, but my mother and I are far from it. I imagine that among the educated population that the generational distinction is similar.
What you wrote has merit. My question to you is:
Although the confederate flag (first flown in 1863) is not "merely" about racism, but about southern pride/heritage; how can you separate the racism/white supremacy part from that heritage?
While you answer that consider this:
Couldn't the people that own the NAZI flag also make the pride/heritage argument?
Additionally, If the South won the Civil War, what do you think would have happened to blacks/minorities?
I'll assume these are genuine questions and not a setup for you to blast me  I separate the two because I choose to. It's really that simple. I'm proud to be southern. I'm proud of my accent, college football, good weather, sweet tea, the fact that barbecue and a cookout are not the same thing, southern belles, country music, hospitality, shag dancing, low cost-of-living, saying "yes ma'am" and "y'all," and the fact that I don't have to wear gel in my hair and go to dance clubs to get laid. Among other things... I'm not proud of slavery or the fact that it lasted longer down here than elsewhere, nor am I proud of the fact that fundamentalist right-wingers get to pass laws that try to force me not to drink on their holy day. It's a simple personal distinction that I make, but the fact that one unforgivable evil existed does not mean that I should ignore all of the things that there are to love about the south. While I don't like Nazis, I admittedly don't know a whole lot about life in 1930s/40s Germany and couldn't tell you if there were redeeming parts of the Nazi lifestyle. If there were, then I guess I'd have a hard time arguing against someone who had Nazi pride given that they disapproved of the Holocaust and world conquest. As for if the south had won the War of Northern Aggression ... I think that abolition would have happened anyway, it would have just taken longer. Given time, I think that societies progress beyond barbarism on their own.
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« on: April 11, 2007, 11:24:56 AM »
Why can't a long distance relationship be unacceptable to a person? No reason to make the OP feel bad about it -- I probably wouldn't do it either. Some people just aren't cut out for mandatory nightly phone conversations and the lack of sex.
It certainly can, if the principles of avoiding nightly phone conversations and continued sex are more important to you than the SO in question.
Everyone values certain aspects of a relationship... Nothing wrong with regular sex being one of them.
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« on: April 11, 2007, 11:07:26 AM »
Why can't a long distance relationship be unacceptable to a person? No reason to make the OP feel bad about it -- I probably wouldn't do it either. Some people just aren't cut out for mandatory nightly phone conversations and the lack of sex.
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« on: April 11, 2007, 11:00:22 AM »
Lets not be fools. Of course every person in the good ol boy state of south carolina is not a racist. However, you are denying history, the educational-political conditions and affliations, and the overall societal mores and ethos of this state's culture if you can honestly sit here and believe that the majority of South Carolinians are not racist in their beliefs regarding the world around them. I can only imagine some of the things said about immigrants---legal and illegal. Have you ever noticed the most a$$ backwards states, those not very cultured or diversified tend to lag in educational polls and financial revenues made in the state? I am from Charlotte, NC, and more than half of my family is from South Carolina orginally. I cannot speak for the entire US, but almost anyone from a diverse area is always flabbergasted at the blatant racism and veil that seems to be over everyone's eyes down here because they 1) GREW UP HERE, AND THEY DONT KNOW ANY BETTER or 2) REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE WRONG AROUND THEM BECAUSE THEY FEEL IT IS A REFLECTION OF THEMSELVES. If someone from another country thought that because I was an American that I supported Bush, I couldn't really do anything but demonstrate AS I HAVE BEFORE that all Americans do not share these values, or lack thereof. However even this argument presents a gaping fallacy because most politicians seldomly lose the popular vote of the electorate in municipal/state/ elections and are still given the office, i.e. Bush. But on the another note if Christian fundalmentalists, strom thurmond being elected to basically his point of death, and that Bob whatever college can still exist (the college bans interracial dating, yes even in 2007) how can you actually think that most people wouldn't think this about South Carolina. What is South Carolina known for besides Robert E Lee,the Citadel,and the stars and bars? Honestly, the problems of cronyism, ignorance, and poverty are so deeply tangled in the heart of this state I really pity children who have to grow up with this type of Richard Wright script of a life, because when people re-elect racists time and time again on some level they must identify with him/her.
Robert E. Lee was from Virginia, not South Carolina
I meant to point that one out, too. Thanks for picking up my slack. Don't forget we're also famous for the 1981 national championship and the loudest stadium in college football!
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« on: April 11, 2007, 10:51:21 AM »
Nobody will deny the presence of racism in SC, or the sheer ridiculousness of the fundamentalist wing of the state. However, this is the south, not just SC, and in the south there are plenty of redeeming qualities that make it not quite the hell y'all are describing. The trash of New York is just as ignorant/racist as the trash of South Carolina and Alabama. Not everyone sports a confederate flag and not everyone who does is racist. It's a symbol, and to some it means hate for sure. For others, it's just southern pride (for what it's worth, I didn't think it belonged on the state house and I don't own a confederate flag). If you're from here and see southern heritage as merely a tradition of racism, I hope that you can at least concede that it's not about that for everyone even if you perceive it to be the majority (I do not).
Let me also say that as antiquated and petty racism is, it is dying here just like everywhere else. We're behind down here, but progress is being made despite the Baptists' and Bob Jones' efforts to the contrary (in the city limits of Greenville we can even buy beer on Sunday!). My grandparents are racist, but my mother and I are far from it. I imagine that among the educated population that the generational distinction is similar.
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« on: April 11, 2007, 10:39:51 AM »
I'm 21 and two of my roommates are girls. Let me tell you, it sucks. From experience I can say that sleeping with your in-house female only makes things even worse, too.
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« on: April 11, 2007, 02:49:31 AM »
I can't believe that obviously intelligent people can come to this forum and label an entire state as racist, ignorant, and whatever else some of y'all are trying to get across. Racism exists everywhere, but not in everyone. Not even in that hellhole, South Carolina.
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« on: April 05, 2007, 03:41:47 AM »
I'll let you know when I'm done. I know for sure that Clemson will be getting an annual contribution from me, though.
Where the Blue Ridge yawns its greatness, where the Tigers play
Here the sons of dear old Clemson reign supreme alway
Dear old Clemson, we will triumph, and with all our might
That the Tigers' roar may echo o'er the mountain height!
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« on: April 05, 2007, 03:38:11 AM »
...I will take the initiative. Who's ready for the triumphant return of THE OFFICE?!
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« on: April 04, 2007, 04:43:16 PM »
Damn, does that mean this is the path of academic rigor? To think, I've spent so long avoiding that very road.
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