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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: The Thread on Politics
« on: December 23, 2008, 11:28:09 AM »
also, lost in this discussion is how offensive it is to atheists that any religious figure has been invited to give an invocation.  how offensive!

participatingggg.... jk

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: The Thread on Politics
« on: December 23, 2008, 12:46:43 AM »
My problem with The LGBT movement is that they want to equate their efforts to the Civil Rights Movement, but expect change to come from the top down. It didn't happen that way in 60's and it probably won't happen now. Obama is probably the most gay-friendly president we've ever had and I believe it only works to galvanize Christians around this homophobic pastor when we appear at odds with Obama over Warren. I just think there is a smarter way to respond to this.

this is the credited response

Prop 8 was not a "top down" effort.  It was a matter decided by a state court and then overturned by a slim majority of the people with the active, lucrative participation of religious leaders like Rick Warren.

No one expects Obama to walk into the White House on day one and sign something that legalizes gay marriage.  We just don't expect to have the concept of our civil rights publicly degraded by even a tacit veil of presidential legitimacy.     

If you're going to juxtapose this criticism of Obama (national politics) to Prop 8 (state and local politics) then I think it is pretty safe to say that gays want change from the top down.


[And you took the words right out of my mouth because I was just about to make the parallel of this point regarding the decision to have Warren do the invocation.  Warren was chosen because, quite frankly, there's an invocation to be given and he is a pastor.

I could be wrong, but I don't believe that Warren is going to take to the stage and start spouting anti-gay sentiment for 60 minutes.  He's been asked to come, give a prayer, and sit down.  Now if I am grossly underestimating the extent to which Warren's speaking engagement will exist, then I'll be one of the first to sound the alarm b/c for an event like this, it wouldn't make any sense to do anything that departs from giving an invocation.


But this whole controversy speaks to 7S's point, which I think we're going to have to come to terms with which is there will be times when Obama's administration will have to do something that will be unpopular with the Democrats/Black Community/Minority Community/Liberals/etc.  I, for one, am ok with that as long as our interests are being looked out for.  I don't expect Obama to make every executive decision from the viewpoint of the black community.  That's ok.  But I can guarantee that there will be many folks within the black community, democratic community, etc. who will be up in arms over the next 4 years over some issue when an Obama policy departs from our ideology/interests.  I think people's expectations sometimes are a little unrealistic.

In the great words of the Rolling Stones "you can't always get what you want..."


but you get what you need.


ITA!!!!!!!  I totally support the decision to tap Rick Warren for the invocation.  ymmv

I'm sorry, but no. I'm not upset over Obama inviting Warren, but let's call Warren what he is...a hateful and un-Godly homophobe.


Yes, the previous comments seem to be going in circles.  I was talking about the movement as a whole.  I'm not saying that this is necessarily a non-issue, but I am saying that I don't see what good extended and widespread protest will do unless there is some plan to utilize the discontent for some larger purpose.  Say Obama comes out tomorrow or next week and takes Warren out of the schedule.  Would that be a major victory for the LGBT?  I don't think so.  Yet, taking Warren out would end most of the conversations I've seen.

Exactly. Let's talk about that fact that in some 30+ states you can still be fired for being gay. Warren is a non-issue when compared to that. I'd like to see gays going to some of these homophobic churches en masse and "sitting-in."

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: The Thread on Politics
« on: December 22, 2008, 11:00:23 AM »
Why are folks who are supposed to be liberal minded so up in arms about this pastor Warren thing?

I thought it was just the gays... ???

I'm not offended by Obama's invitation to the homophobe, but I do understand the disgust from the gay community. It would be the equivalent to McCain inviting David Duke to give the opening prayer at his inauguration, had he won. I don't for a minute believe that McCain is racist, but that would have been incredibly insensitive to me as an African-American. Now, take that gays supported Obama by huge margins in the general, the movement was dealt a huge blow (no pun intended :D ) in California and that Obama supports a separate-but-equal position regarding gay marriage (I believe by necessity). This Warren invitation is just another insult.

My problem with The LGBT movement is that they want to equate their efforts to the Civil Rights Movement, but expect change to come from the top down. It didn't happen that way in 60's and it probably won't happen now. Obama is probably the most gay-friendly president we've ever had and I believe it only works to galvanize Christians around this homophobic pastor when we appear at odds with Obama over Warren. I just think there is a smarter way to respond to this.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: The Thread on Politics
« on: December 19, 2008, 02:53:08 PM »
I wish Jerry Falwell was alive.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: The Thread on Politics
« on: December 19, 2008, 10:27:45 AM »
I agree with this...in theory anyway:

Obama on Warren

Obama makes the case for including people he disagrees with in the inauguration ó though I suspect that won't be enough for gay leaders who may not be fans of this form of symbolism.

"It is no secret that I am a fierce advocate for equality for gay and lesbian Americans, itís something that I have been consistent on and something that I intend to be consistent on during my presidency," he told reporters in Chicago. "What Iíve also said that itís important for [American]  to come together, even though we may have disagreements."

He noted that he was invited to speak at Saddleback "despite [Warren's] awareness" that Obama disagrees with him on abortion.

ďThere are going to be a wide range of viewpoints that will be presented, and thatís how it should be. ... That dialogue I think is part of what my campaignís been all about," he said.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1208/Obama_on_Warren.html?showall

Agreed. I'm definitely not a fan of Warren, but the gays should lay off Obama on this issue.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: The Thread on Politics
« on: December 16, 2008, 01:02:16 PM »
well, to each his own. Offensive? yeah. Malicious? no. Funny? I guess it depends on who you ask.

It was a bit over the top I must say.

I've shaken the man's hand on a couple of different occasions and he's never fumbled around to find my hand.  Political comedy is most funny when it's actually TRUE. 

The clip being "over the top" was, I think, the point.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: The Thread on Politics
« on: December 16, 2008, 08:15:01 AM »
well, to each his own. Offensive? yeah. Malicious? no. Funny? I guess it depends on who you ask.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: The Thread on Politics
« on: December 15, 2008, 10:57:36 PM »
eh. It wasn't that big a deal.

Chocolate News is more offenseive. Mostly because it isn't funny.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: The Thread on Politics
« on: December 14, 2008, 03:15:14 PM »
so.....someone threw some shoes at Bush and he had pretty good aim, too. That Bush is pretty fast though.

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=11096193&ch=4226716&src=news


Also, Dana Perino got a black eye when a microphone hit her.  :(

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Black Law Student Discussion Board
« on: December 10, 2008, 06:55:19 PM »
For KD and 7S: NPR announced today that it is canceling News & Notes (and Day To Day) for budget reasons.

Yeah, I'm pretty upset about this. Where is an Oprah donation when you need it?

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