Again, merely in response to you. You made the uncalled for statement: why should we expect women to sanction mysoginist hip hop? no one had stated that they expected women to sanction any form of hip hop. where the hecht did that statement come from? so I merely responded with a declaration of fact: I do not expect women to sanction hip hop, even though some women do! the point...just to point out the irony of your statement, no more, no less.
You've changed the dynamics of your statement by adding the word "some." Nonetheless, I said, "How in the same breath, as black men, can we expect women to sanction misogynism from the male-dominated rap game," to which, you reply, "I dont have that expectation, but women do sanction hip hop." Notwithstanding the glaring generalization, to say "but" anything is to qualify your previous statement.
(1) Women are a group of people just as African-Americans are a group of people. (2) Imus drew outrage from many black people when he called the Rutger players "nappy headed hoes;" nappy headed being an attack on their African heratige and hoes being an attack on their gender. (3) Mainstreme rap music accomplishes the same goal with regard to the overall degradation of women by calling them hoes and b*tches. (4) However, there are very little to no grassroot efforts by the black community to oust current CEO's of Sony and Time Warner or attempts to force an apology of Bob Johnson for promoting the nonsense. Its hypocritical to demand Imus be ousted and not apply that same vigor of judgement to the other side.
"Why should I be? Seems like I'm diverting my energy from what really needs to be dealt with. Why jump on every Chingy who is a dime a dozen when I can focus on Tommy Motolla??? why get pissed when nelly swipes a girls butt with a debit card, when viacom is airing 100 other videos that do sh*t just like that. should I protest every video or viacom? Beyond that I'm not mad when someone who is uneducated and comes from nothing jumps at an opportunity (the only ones some get) to be something. I'm mad thats there most promising opportunity, I'm mad they have to demean women and themselves to follow through with this opportunity, but I cant bring myself to be mad at 17-19 yr old kids that have no education getting exploited by corporations. sorry."
Being uneducated does not allow you to luxury of also being immoral. Being an uneducated
hillbilly doesn't give you the right to call me a n*gger.
"they didnt allow him to come. even though it was going to benefit sick people. I lived it and was attending the AUC when it happened. It got coverage for a minute and then it went away. Nothing like this Imus ish. Nelly does fine to this day. Like I said, who are we supposed to be up in arms to? the media sensationalizes sharpton and puts a camera on him 24/7 then wonder why we arent up in arms abnout other things like we are about this. well, hell, local news barely covered the spelman event and it did not become news until well after it happened and it was more MTV than CNN MSNBC all day long 24/7 round the clock coverage. like I said, who should we show our anger too? and are you going to cover it?"
Just one small example: When it happened, the women at my college in Texas rallied and banned Nelly from being played at campus events and parties.
"but it does parrallel. this stems from me making the general statement that hip hop is fictional lyrics about anonymous people. you denied the truth of that statement. you are conflating terms now. it does not matter what the subject matter of the song is, the statement holds true: hip hop is fictional stories about anonymous people. there are exceptions i'm sure, but that wasnt your argument. you argued that hip hip is not anonymous because if someone says n-word they are talking to black people. wtf??? maybe you should look up anonymous."
I took your advice and looked up anonymous. It means lacking individuality, distinction, or recognizability. Within those confounds, it is totally recognizable that when I white person says, "I hate n*ggers," they are talking about black people. Equally, it is totally recognizable that when a man says, "I have hoes in different area codes," he is talking about women. An crowd full of anonymous women is still a crowd full of women.
"Already explained the difference. I'll repeat: black people do not control media coverage. there is outrage. if you cover outrage for this and not for something else does that mean the outrage is not there? if you goad people with 24/7 coverage about an inflammatory incident people will react more so than something that receives backpage coverage. got it? thats the difference."
What? Iraq is front page coverage, but that doesn't detract from our measure of outrage regarding genocide in Sudan. 20 years ago, and I would have conceeded my argument. However, 20 years ago, we didn't have the internet and 24 hour news stations. So please.