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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Marquette Visit
« on: April 12, 2007, 02:52:59 PM »
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Does anyone know the average starting salary for graduates, including both the public and private sectors?

At the admitted students open house they said the median starting salary is $62k/yr (if they broke it up by public & private sector I missed it).

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Anyone know what the summer job prospects for students are? I was offered a generous scholarship of 23k a year provided i stay in good academic standing, but even with that I would rack up about 60k in debt (at least). If tuition is 30k this year (think it went up 3k from last year), then by the third year, even with this scholarship, it would cost about 30k total. I also expect AT LEAST 30k for rent/living expenses. This is too much for me. Im very poor and can expect no financial assistance from my family. However, if I could expect to get a job and work for 20 hours/week my 2nd and 3rd years, then the rent/living expenses could be reduced substantially.

Even if you're poor now, paying $60k in debt after you graduate won't be a big deal.  I would think the chances of finding summer employment would be pretty good. 

i have 15k from undergrad too. What do you mean it wont be a big deal? I am suspicious of marquette's claim to 60k average starting salary too. I seem to recall it being much lower previous years.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Marquette Visit
« on: April 11, 2007, 10:39:16 PM »
Anyone know what the summer job prospects for students are? I was offered a generous scholarship of 23k a year provided i stay in good academic standing, but even with that I would rack up about 60k in debt (at least). If tuition is 30k this year (think it went up 3k from last year), then by the third year, even with this scholarship, it would cost about 30k total. I also expect AT LEAST 30k for rent/living expenses. This is too much for me. Im very poor and can expect no financial assistance from my family. However, if I could expect to get a job and work for 20 hours/week my 2nd and 3rd years, then the rent/living expenses could be reduced substantially.

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Thanks US News!

Sadly tied with Stanford, hmmph!

Stanford University  (CA)     $135,000
Tulane University (LA)    $135,000

I don't understand how Tulane was allowed to use 24% reporting, but who am I to complain, I have BIGLAW in the bag!  ;)

What do you mean "allowed to use" 24% reporting? I didn't think universities got to choose what percent of their graduates reported their salaries.

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I didnt see one at the U. of arkansas, u. of mississippi, u. of Iowa, U. of kentucky, or U. of Nebraska. Yes they all have upper level writing courses that are required, but they dont mention something similar to a "thesis." Many schools in Ohio list required legal writing courses in additional to this substantial paper(s).

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The school I will likely attend has an $850 seat deposit.  I think that's unique.

LOL!  :P

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I've noticed that many of the schools in Ohio have an additional writing requirement. This is in addition to the credits you need to graduate and they are not fulfilled as part of a class. For instance, Toledo requires five writing units (each 10-15 pages), Cleveland requires a substantial paper (i think its supposed to be about 50 pages?), Case also requires a substantial paper. Pretty sure all schools in Ohio have something similar.

None of these additional requirements would prevent me from matriculating at any one of these schools if I wanted to go there, but it does seem like an extra burden that could add to the already very stressful curriculum. As I understand these requirements, they are "projects" that you are supposed to work on outside of your classes. Are Ohio schools unique in this regard? Do most law schools require something similar to a thesis? Does the school that you are planning to attend have a unique requirement to be fulfilled before a JD is granted?

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I've made up my mind. I will be attending Toledo if I can confirm that it is likely for an out of state student to become a resident under the following conditions:

1.) lived in Ohio for 12 months (only 2 months prior to attending ToledoLaw)

2.) Financially independent (with the exception of loans) for that 12 month period.

3.) Register car in Ohio, register to vote, and acquire an Ohio driver's license.

I have confirmed that under these conditions, if I were to attend Cincinnati or Akron, it would be likely for me to become a resident by my 2nd year. Does anyone know if Toledo's policy is different? I've contacted Toledo's admissions, and they told me it is "possible", but didnt mention how many of their students do this. Other prospective students have told me that they contacted admissions and were told it is almost impossible! Anyone here a current student, or does anyone know a student at toledo, who has gone through the process?

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Toledo now 85, was 93. Not too long ago they were a bottom tier 4... More than half their 2006 class is part-time though.

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Last year Toledo was 93, now they are 85. Weren't they a tier 4 not that long ago? They started a part-time program (this is HALF of their incoming class) so that they could report higher incoming statistics. Do you think USNews will ever require reporting part-time student enrollment stats? They wouldn't have to give them as much weight as full-time students, but they should at least be calculated! I am considering matriculating at Toledo, but if USNews changes they way they collect data, or other schools start doing this part time thing, then Toledo could drop as dramatically as they climbed...

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Just noticed in the 2008 Online rankings that only 74 of the 2006 incoming class was full time, while 116 were part time! Does ANY other school have a ratio of full time to part time students like this?

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Logged back in a few hours later, and now the incoming class of 2005 is listed instead. 85 full time and 89 part time. WTF is going on

How long are going to keep posting about the ups and downs of Toledo?  For gods sake, we can't tell you anything about Toledo that you don't already know.  If rankings are THAT important to your decision (as seems apparent from your above post), then you should wait it out a year and reapply to some t1 schools.  But for Christ's sake, please stop asking us to validate your decision to go to toledo!

LOL OK! I am still struck by this 74 full time to 116 part time thing though. This strategy seems to have worked very well for Toledo, why aren't other schools doing this (besides some similar ranked ones in Ohio)?

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I guess my point is, I am not looking for a validation to go to Toledo. I am wondering how they can get away with this, because it seems like an obvious hole in the USNews ranking system. I KNOW that many people have criticized USNews rankings for MANY reasons, but this seems to be a huge glaring error in the way that they rank schools that should be addressed because it allows for distortions of a school's incoming GPA/LSAT scores. Both of these statistics are weighted significantly by USNews for determining a school's ranking and therefore it should not be so easy to distort them.

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only 63% of graduates are employed in-state.

This is a little scary though: "Professional/other (Jobs which require professional skills or training, but for which a J.D. is neither preferred nor particularly applicable, e.g., accountant, teacher, business manager, nurse): 12%"

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