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Incoming 1Ls / How important is starting salary?
« on: April 23, 2007, 07:21:28 PM »
Does anyone know the average pay increase after working with a firm for several years? I assume this depends greatly on the size of the firm. How much could a lawyer that started around 50k, who works at a firm with less than 20 lawyers, expect to be making 3, 5, and 10 years down the road? Are you less likely to receive a raise from a firm with 100+ that starts you over 100k, than you would at a smaller firm?

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Do girls at Notre Dame put out?
« on: April 22, 2007, 05:52:30 PM »
best thread ever

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Marquette Visit
« on: April 20, 2007, 11:40:22 AM »
Another interesting fact about Marquette is that most (perhaps all) of their scholarships only require that you maintain a 2.0 to keep them. I imagine this eases competition among students. Their gpa curve is a little above a 3.0. I talked to someone in admissions that says they hardly ever take someone's scholarship away.

I think ILRG is just out of date, but their numbers are probably more accurate because they unintentionally count for all the gaming that goes on.

That doesnt explain why some of their numbers are higher than what USNews reports.

Attorneys always just laugh at me when I bring up those median salaries. They say they're full of sh*t.

I don't think anybody lies about what they make, nor do the compilers manipulate the figures that they get, but I think some people (low earners probably) withhold their data, and some law school administrations probably employ subtle tactics to enable those underachievers to do so.

e.g. someone suggested that law school admins sent out questionnaires to the whole class, but only sent business reply envelopes to those graduating in the top 20%.

How a graduating class's median income would be reported differently in different publications, I don't know.

Maybe the data is compiled on a "rolling" basis, and ILRG and USN&WR request it at different times?

It could be on a rolling basis. I was thinking ILRG is somehow averaging over many years. However, it still seems like some their stats are way off if they are averaging and the latest usnews stats are correct. I wish I could find USNews stats of average salaries for past years  ???

Anyone know how much U. of Wisconsin's seat deposit is?

Law School Admissions / Re: Iowa/Wisconsin Seat Deposits
« on: April 18, 2007, 06:24:34 PM »
how much is the seat deposit at wisconsin?

FWIW, I've received some brochures/letters stuff from UCincinnati lately, and the $90,000 salary figure is what the school reports for law firm salaries only (of those reporting, of course.) The top number listed was around $125,000. Reasonable enough for private practice (probably a little lower in reality) but definitely not representative of ALL UC Law grads.

The 65k that i listed above is what ILRG is calculating for private practice only. If ILRG is averaging over a certain period of years it still seems that 65k would be low, given that UC reported 90k this year.

"those" rankings meaning ILRG or USNews? USNews 2008 lists brooklyn median as 112k and rutgers newerk at 100k. ILRG is very close, a little under what USNews lists for these schools... Hmm

Are these available anywhere? I am currently subscribed to the online edition of USNews 2008 and I would like to compare the career statistics of several schools from the past 2-3 years.

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