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What? Right now you can get a d630 for 899, and a d420 for 1199. These will probably be even cheaper by next fall.

strange.  the d420 is closer to $1200 bare bones to $2000 loaded on Dell's site.

Where do you get your opinions?

http://www.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/latit?c=us&ck=LOBLink&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd&sort=price

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1300 is too much. Go to dell.com right now and click on notebooks > small business, and check out the prices.

$1436 bare bones with no software.  Huh?

What? Right now you can get a d630 for 899, and a d420 for 1199. These will probably be even cheaper by next fall.

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I thought they said something at the ASW about keeping the price at 1300?  Could be wrong about that though, it was awhile ago.

I'll wait and see what the price is before I get all uppity about it...maybe they are going to end up being a good deal after all...maybe.  I was going to have to buy a new computer anyway and I suppose this just saves me some time.

I'll probably go with the D630.  I was excited about getting a thinkpad, but a cursory glance at what people are saying about the D630 on the old internets has calmed me down a bit..it seems to be a pretty well received machine.

1300 is too much. Go to dell.com right now and click on notebooks > small business, and check out the prices.

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Well, whats to prevent students from turning around and selling these notebooks? If they really are a good deal (doubtful, student discounts are rarely that much better than what you can find online), then you could make a profit on ebay. A post mentions that he/she saw someone in a class with a mac. Perhaps there is just some software that you are required to have on your notebook for exams or something.

Regardless, this laptop program is absolutely retarded.

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"Pre-configured with:

    * Windows Vista Business
    * Symantec AntiVirus 10
    * Cisco VPN Client
    * Other basic software to help you in your Law School career.*"

LOLOL. Yea i'm sure. They will probably load these laptops up with expensive software that no one really needs (and of course give us a 10% discount on all that crap). Anyone know how much these laptops are going to cost? There is some amazing memorial day deals going on right now. I really doubt these computers that the U-MN is offering will be cheaper than what you could buy now.

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So if you are going to the UMN next fall, YOU MUST BUY ONE OF THEIR LAPTOPS NO MATTER WHAT? Am I understanding this correctly? That is insane. Do other law schools do this? Can you buy it and turn around and sell it on eBay, or are you required to use the laptop they provide for exams?

Typically, when a University gives a discount on computers, you can usually find a better deal if you look around online. What does the UMN say to people who bought a laptop right before they found out they were required to buy a new one at the start of the semester?

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for instance, the state of washington caps the rate of tuition increase for UW at something like 7% (and they... go for the max whenever they can). Unfortunately, grad school tuition is not capped, so it goes up by like 10%

It isn't sustainable. The rise of college education is a phenomenon of the last 50 years or so since the GI Bill. In the end... there's always the cost-accountability.

It isnt sustainable? So what do you think is going to happen, and when?

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to put it into perspective... since 1990 the cost of law school, in real dollars, has doubled.

I heard that tuition has doubled in the past 10 years and that salaries are almost the same as they were ten years ago. Like I mentioned above, I dont think supply and demand is going to fix this. An average debt of 50k or 100k isnt going to scare most students if they know thats the "average" debt for law students. Its such a large number that it could just as well be 200k. I am exaggerating a little. If I was a prospective student 10 years from now looking at 200k of debt to go to law school, and I knew that 200k was the average, I would assume that this kind of debt must be manageable. If it wasn't, then why are people still going to law school?

One of my paramount concerns in deciding which law school to attend next fall was the cost (I'm sure this is a paramount concern for most prospective students). However, even if I did not receive a scholarship from any school, I would still plan on attending one of them next fall. I don't think my attitude is uncommon, nor will it ever be...

Is there any end in sight for tuition hikes? Can something be done about it?

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I've been browsing http://www.ilrg.com/rankings/law/index.php/1/desc/State/2007 , which has tuition fees for 2004 and comparing them with the latest online edition of USNews, and it's really frightening. Many schools are raising tuition by over 1k a year, and some by over 2k.

Will tuition raises ever slow down? What schools are being hurt the most by this, and do you think it will affect the rankings? Many t3 and t4 private schools are already 30k+. In five years they will probably be over 40k, and their graduates most likely wont start with higher  salaries than they do now.

Will fewer people go to law school, or will they just bend over and take it up the A$$?

1-2% per year actually isn't that bad if you estimate that inflation is about 3%.  My undergrad raised tuition by 6.5% every year I was there, resulting in a net increase of about 8k over 4 years.  Blargh.  Oh yes, people will continue to take it up the a** because it is a luxury and people are still under the delusion that a JD = wealth without limit.

I'd bet that salaries 3 years from now will be higher than they are now if for no other reason than to keep up with cost of living.  I doubt law schools will ever price themselves out of the market.   



What is this 1-2% about? Law schools raising their tuition by 2k is usually way more than 2%. I wouldnt be so sure that salaries will increase because the legal field is most likely still going to be over-saturated. Most people aren't concerned about an extra 20-30k of debt (they should be if they arent going to a top school) when they are thinking about law school. If law schools on average were 10k higher per year than they are now, my mindset would be "well, if this is what I have to pay, then I have to pay it. Nothing I can do about it." May not be the appropriate attitude, but I'm sure many think the same way.

I don't think supply and demand is going to prevent that many people from pursuing law degrees. Everyone thinks they are going to be at the top of their class and land a great job.

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I've been browsing http://www.ilrg.com/rankings/law/index.php/1/desc/State/2007 , which has tuition fees for 2004 and comparing them with the latest online edition of USNews, and it's really frightening. Many schools are raising tuition by over 1k a year, and some by over 2k.

Will tuition raises ever slow down? What schools are being hurt the most by this, and do you think it will affect the rankings? Many t3 and t4 private schools are already 30k+. In five years they will probably be over 40k, and their graduates most likely wont start with higher  salaries than they do now.

Will less people go to law school, or will they just bend over and take it up the A$$?

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