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This is the only statement that I've been trying to discredit:

All schools outside Harvard and Yale are regional, making Boalt regional, and making San Diego regional, meaning they're essentially equal in their respective regions. 

Sorry, I'm not good with numbers, so I have no data to offer.  Perhaps this is why I screwed up the LSAT...I just have no statistical data to back anything up with!
But really, is it possible for three people to be any more biased?  You're using USD students as your evidence...fine, give me a second and I'll be back with Ruskie and Goalie to set you kids straight.

PS, this is fun for me, I haven't had a chance to express my love for Boalt as the bestest school in the country for a while!

There are two issues here.  1)  No one claimed USD = Boalt.  2)  If USD is the top feeder in its region and Boalt the top feeder in its region, then they are in fact essentially equal in their respective regions.  Perhaps not academically or nationally, but regionally, they would be.

In the past, your posts have been known to come off as malicious, so it shouldn't surprise you that it's happening here.  Sno and AZ have nothing to gain by being biased, nor especially do I.  You quickly discount their experiences in law school and my numerical findings with nothing to back you up but hearsay.  Based on what I've heard from actual law students at several schools around the country, the rankings mean very little, if anything.

Dude, you can't be serious.  I've made like...MAYBE a couple malicious comments in my 1100+ LSD posts.  This clown flat out calls me a donkey and an idiot, without me ever insulting him, and I'm the malicious one?  And what's funny is, I honestly probably care about the rankings less than any 0L I know.  I was actually happy when USD's ranking went down, because I know the school is underrated anyway, and I figured it would give me a better chance of going there over 2 schools higher-ranked schools that already admitted me.

Whatever, I'm done with this, you kids have fun in paradise. 

Chill out.  It's an internet message board.  People go at it on these things all the time.

And as for the malicious comment, I'm going by a few posts of yours I've thought so and the two or three times I saw people call you out on it as well.  That's enough for me to say you have been known to be confrontational at times.  It's not a big deal, many people are online, but you're included in that pack.

Anyway, this argument has overrun its course.  Good luck, and maybe I'll see you at USD.

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This is the only statement that I've been trying to discredit:

All schools outside Harvard and Yale are regional, making Boalt regional, and making San Diego regional, meaning they're essentially equal in their respective regions. 

Sorry, I'm not good with numbers, so I have no data to offer.  Perhaps this is why I screwed up the LSAT...I just have no statistical data to back anything up with!
But really, is it possible for three people to be any more biased?  You're using USD students as your evidence...fine, give me a second and I'll be back with Ruskie and Goalie to set you kids straight.

PS, this is fun for me, I haven't had a chance to express my love for Boalt as the bestest school in the country for a while!

There are two issues here.  1)  No one claimed USD = Boalt.  2)  If USD is the top feeder in its region and Boalt the top feeder in its region, then they are in fact essentially equal in their respective regions.  Perhaps not academically or nationally, but regionally, they would be.

In the past, your posts have been known to come off as malicious, so it shouldn't surprise you that it's happening here.  Sno and AZ have nothing to gain by being biased, nor especially do I.  You quickly discount their experiences in law school and my numerical findings with nothing to back you up but hearsay.  Based on what I've heard from actual law students at several schools around the country, the rankings mean very little, if anything.

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Perhaps the nice weather has all you USD kids confused?  The funny thing is, I actually like USD quite a bit...

I never said it's dumb or stupid or unreasonable to take USD over Boalt, but I just think you guys aren't being completely genuine, or that you're seriously disillusioned.  I mean, what are you trying to prove with that data?  The same number of firms interview at USD and Boalt?  Perhaps YOU should do more research, if this is in fact what you're trying to say.

That the same top firms interview at both places?  Again, a bogus suggestion, and plus we all know OCI interview don't necessarily turn in to jobs.

I mean, seriously, I'm not trying to say it would be a bad idea to go to USD with full ride over Boalt, but to assert that USD is somehow on the same level as Boalt is just misleading, simple as that.  You guys are acting like Boalt is like the little regional San Francisco school, while USD is the San Diego school, so that means they're about the same.

Not that the same number interview at USD and Boalt.  That more interview at USD.  :)

I was merely demonstrating that if you were dead set on working in San Diego, judging by current students who actually go to the school and the stats of what firms interview where, you would not necessarily be at an advantage going to Standford/Boalt over USD.  Again, this is if you are absolutely certain you wish to practice in SD.

No one said USD is on the level of Boalt or Stanford.  You're twisting things around to try and make your point or discredit those opposing your point of view.  I was merely demonstrating why it may not be such a bad suggestion to attend USD over Stanford or Boalt if you insist on working in SD.

Now unless you have actual statistical data suggesting the contrary, please move on. 

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Actually, he just proved he can explain things rationally and calmly, when you just proved it's easy to call someone an idiot.  Kuddos to you!

Anyway, I wasn't even thinking about the US News...at all.  I was more thinking about interviews with deans of top schools, who claim the reason their schools "look" regional is because their students prefer to stay in the area they went to law school in.  Sno makes some good points, and I think they're valid to some extent, but nonetheless, I just don't think it's accurate to call schools outside Harvard and Yale regional.  I know you guys are just standing up for USD (USD being the ultimate regional power), but you're coming off as almost telling people that if you want to work in San Diego, take USD over Boalt (and maybe even Stanford)...sorry, I just don't find this believable.

Then I'd suggest you do a little research.  NALP shows 20 firms have OCI at the 3 schools.  18 at USD, 16 at Boalt/Stanford.  There are only 2 that OCI at Boalt/Stanford and not USD -- Foley & Larnder, and,  Gunderson Dettmer Stough Villeneuve Franklin & Hachigian.  Otherwise, every other firm that interviews at Boalt/Stanford interviews at USD.  Furthermore, there are 4 firms that OCI at USD and don't at Boalt or Stanford.

Does it mean the 14 firms that interview at all 3 schools would take the USD grad over the Stanford/Boalt students?  I couldn't tell you, but I'd bet at that point it's much more based on grades and personality than the name of the school.

If you were dead set on practicing in San Diego and could get into Stanford or Boalt, you could most likely go to USD for free and be at no disadvantage (it looks more likely an advantage) for getting a job in SD.  I'd take USD.

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i ended up passing on USD...in the end.  im a bit iffy on my decision--im in at loyola-chicago and U Miami so far.  dont really care what city i end up in...im indifferent.

i just felt that USD put me in a tough position by giving me only 2 weeks to send in my deposit.  i was accepted on like april 4 and they gave till the 18th to send in the deposit.  i ultimately didnt have time to visit the school (or the means) so yeah.  i think i wouldve liked the school, but oh well...

That is just a total cop-out. If you didn't want to go to USD then you should have said that but to put the blame on them for your choice is absurd. Two weeks is a long enough time to make a decision. I was accepted on April 16th and they gave me the same amount of time to make a decision. It took me about 30 seconds to decide that I was going there over Pacific-McGeorge, which was offering me 15K a year. I had planned for various acceptances and my decision was consistent with my plan. I knew that if USD accepted me that I would be going. I even visited prior to my acceptance so as not to cop-out and go to McGeorge because I was too lazy or indifferent to check out USD. If you don't have the initiative to visit a school that's fine but don't expect that school to hold your hand. You're an adult, please take responsibility for your own actions.

i'm obviously a different person than you.  if you can decide whether to accept a school in less than 2 weeks.  fine.  i can't.

I think he meant that you should have been prepared to make the decision in case you are accepted. That, obviously, isn't always doable since a lot of people will want to visit the school before they make a decision and a visit isn't always possible on 2 weeks notice (for whatever reason). If, however, you are one who can make the decision w/o a visit (which I don't sense you are) then you should have been prepared to make the decision should it come up. There's really no fault in going either way, if you can make a decision w/o a visit, then be prepared to make one if you do get accepted. If you can't make that decision w/o a visit, then be prepared to not go to whatever school doesn't give you sufficient notice. There are pros and cons to both.

to be honest, i am fine in taking the blame on my applications process--i applied in late january.  that isnt USD's fault...or any other school.  i am sure if i had applied earlier, i wouldve been given more time, and thus, been able to visit.  at the same time, other schools, which i applied to in late january and early february as well, gave me a few more weeks to decide.  USD seems to be different in this regard, which is part of the reason for my disappointment.  obviously in retrospect, i should have been prepared to make a hasty decision.  i just didnt expect a school to expect its admitted students to feel comfortable in making a rushed decision, especially given the hefty investment that is law school.

Brooklyn gave me 1 week to accept a part time program.  Not only did they need my commitment within a week, they expected me to withdraw from all other schools if I accepted.  Talk about a pressure decision...

With USD, if you send in your deposit and then visit at your leisure, at worst you're out $150.  Given the cost of law school, that $150 is chump change.  Hell, I sent out 3 deposits, just to keep my options open. 


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Did you really pass on Hastings for USD? Why?

Admittedly, Hastings rejected me, so it's not like I had the choice.  However, had I, I would've chosen USD myself.

The reason for me would've been location.

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: T2 Public v. T4 Private With a Full Scholarship
« on: April 23, 2007, 06:59:49 AM »
Tier 2 no question.

Agreed 98% of the time.  Giving the names of the schools might help with giving a better opinion.

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Law School Apparel
« on: April 22, 2007, 02:32:53 PM »
The USD bookstore does have USD Law t-shirts, but the selection is small.  I bought one when I was there last month.  It was actually a decent looking shirt.

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Did anyone go to that open forum with the Dean or hear about what was said?

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Bad idea to go to expensive USD?
« on: April 22, 2007, 02:23:44 PM »
If I go to USD it'll be 57,000 a year. I have to borrow every penny too. Is this even worth it?
Every time I mention that I might go to Cal Western instead, I get a negative reaction.
Is it really such a big difference? 

Yes.  I showed you one example as to how in your other thread.

The cost of living at USD or Cal Western is the same.  So all you can take into account is tuition.  38k is steep as hell, and if you had a solid option for less elsewhere, it might be worth it.  But the 110k over 3 years can be made up rather quick out of USD when comparing the job potential compared to Cal Western... at least from my research.

Also, does Cal Western require a GPA requirement to keep your scholarship like most schools?  If so, the 2nd two years could end up at full price, and now the amount saved is negligible, only your degree is a lot less valuable.

Law school is a life long investment.  In many cases it's worth taking the $.  In this one, I'm not so sure...

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