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Thanks Ksusha!

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Again, the major issue I had was with his claim that all schools outside Harvard and Yale are regional...I don't care if he's a 2L, that's simply just NOT true.

And also, Boalt doesn't have class rankings, so her class rank is not an issue here.

Ehh, you argued about a lot more than that, but there really is no reason to rehash it. 

I agree with whoneedsanABA, there has been good info in this thread, and that is often the result of a good debate, which is why I welcome them.  People just need to chill out though.

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Like I said, I can't say I have personal experience with the SD market, but there are plenty of Boalties who are from the area, none of whom had trouble getting summer positions (even as 1L's) at top SD firms. I am not particularly concerned about the 4 SD firms that don't show up to Boalt OCI. There is a whole variety of reasons why that may be and among them are that there was no demonstrated interest in those firms by Boalt students, that the limited space at Bancroft hotel (the interview site) caused our CDO to prioritize NYC or SF firms, that they were asked not to return, that they were not invited in the first place. I am not suggesting that any of these are the real reason, but as a law student, you are trained to be cautious about claiming causation (as in 4 SD firms don't come to Boalt because they prefer USD students) when there are plenty of other viable explanations (not limited to the ones offered above).

Well, I take issue with your post because you responded as though everyone who was disagreeing with goose actually agreed 100% with each other.  I'm not sure that's the case.  While I'm not in law school yet, I do believe many of the T14s to be national schools.  That said, sno did specifically say "regional to some extent".  And I think you even proved his point with your lack of luck landing a job in FL.

Also, AZWildcat specifically stated that USD grads can get jobs out of USD, citing a friend of his landing a job with Latham in NYC, as an example.  Obviously then, I don't think the point was that you can't get jobs in other regions if you go to any school outside the top two.  It was merely that you may not have it handed to you to the degree that you would if you went to school in your desired region to practice. 

The rest of your post is all nice, but I'm not sure anyone disagreed with the majority of it.  Furthermore, out of curiosity, where in your class are you ranked?

I will chime in on the above though since it was I who brought that part of the dicussion to the table.

Nowhere did I say why those 4 firms don't interview at Boalt.  It may very well be because if they did, no Boalt grads would be interested.  However, the issue was just how much better the job opportunities for a Boalt grad were as compared to a USD grad, in SD.  I was merely pointing out that more firms OCI at USD than Boalt.  Why?  I don't care, really.  The reasons don't add any value to my claim, which was simply that as far as SD firms that hire, more OCI at USD.  Over 90% of Miami grads end up with jobs, and the majority work in FL, despite it being such a "tough market" to crack.  I would bet this is a result of going to school in that market.

Of course, I'm a misinformed 0L, so I could very well be wrong.  And I don't say this mockingly.  However, if so, I've been led astray by many.

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I don't know how I missed this huge argument but it reminded me of the one I had a few weeks ago when I was waitlisted at USF. It ended with yanksfan324 telling us all to move on.

For the love of god, can we get this thread back on course? 

If you all want to fight with each other, do it in PMs.  None of us care.


So McGeorge... yeah...

Does anyone know if in the past they ended up having extra Legal Scholar days in April?

haha, yeah, I remember that argument as well.  I was not involved however, just enjoying the show.  It was humorous at first, but got old and was completely off topic.  At least in this thread it was relevant to the topic.  :D


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I'm calm, I'm just grouchy that it's fu*king almost May and I don't have a decision from 2 of my top schools yet.  Add that to someone calling you a donkey and idiot simply for making the OUTRAGOUS claim that Stanford is NOT merely a regional...and you get a little heated.

Ehh, you can't take things so personally.  It's a message board.  No one knowns anyone (for the most part).

And as for me, I was merely debating for the sake of debating.  When I'm bored at work, it's a fun way to kill time.

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Seriously, I think now you're just being a ja*kass on purpose.

Where the heck in that quote did I accuse someone of saying USD is BETTER than Boalt?  Again, I accused people of saying Boalt and USD are on the same level regionally, I never accused anyone of saying USD is better than Boalt.

And when did I say I interviewed law school deans?  I said I READ interviews with them.  I READ INTERVIEWS GIVEN BY VARIOUS DEANS OF TOP LAW SCHOOLS!!! Is that hard to believe?

USD is better, or equal, to Boalt as far as placement in San Diego goes.  Are you all happy now?  And allllllll schools outside Harvard and Yale are regional schools.  NYU is a regional school...so is Columbia, and Chicago.  They're all regional outside Harvard and Yale.  Congrats, you won another petty argument on LSD.

And the comment I made about a quarter of the class being jobless was an error on my part...I thought this year their 9 month employment rate was about 76 percent.  At least I'm man enough to admit when I make a mistake.

haha, you really need to relax man.

And I am willing to admit I forgot you claimed to have read so many interviews as opposed to actually conducting them yourself.  I took it out of my post before you responded, but I guess you saw it too quickly.  My bad.

I stand by the rest.  You accused people of saying USD = Boalt, in general.  Perhaps you didn't say "better", we can argue semantics all day, but it's close enough.

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First, who ever said USD is better nationally than Boalt?  I didn't see anyone say that, nor did I accuse anyone of saying it.  That was cute though...it's a difficult distinction for me to make.


But besides that, I agree with everything else, and I'm willing to admit that I'm a 0L who still has a world of learning to do.  With that said, I never claimed to "know it all," and was purely going off what I've read in countless interviews with law school deans. 

So...back to discussing how underrated USD is (I'm being serious).

Ahh, but you did...

This is the only statement that I've been trying to discredit:

All schools outside Harvard and Yale are regional, making Boalt regional, and making San Diego regional, meaning they're essentially equal in their respective regions.

And no, I'm not trying to be an ass.  I just have a hard time letting things go.  :D 

Anyway, yeah, I believe USD is underrated as far as USNWR rankings go, but what are you going to do?  It's a silly number that means the world to 0Ls, and seemingly very little after that.  If I go to USD and see them jump up to T1, will I be happy?  Of course.  If I see them slip into T3, will I be a bit upset?  You bet.  However, it'll be for no other reason than a boost or hit to my ego as I can all but guarantee it will have no effect on my job prospects in 3 years time, for better or worse.   

But regarding the ranking, the 10% boost in employment rate alone should jump USD back up a number of spots.  Also, if LSD is any indication, they are probably going to be back to a 160 25th percentile LSAT.  That should also help a tiny bit.  Then again, there are so many out of place schools in the most current rankings (according to my expert analysis of course), so who knows what will be next year.  I forget what thread it was, but I already did a stat for stat comparison with Pepperdine and USD and saw nothing that warranted Pepperdine being 20 spots higher.  Of course, I know nothing about how the actual ranks are calculated, so my assessment may very well be useless.


Right, since "USD is better than Boalt nationally" is equal to "they are essentially equal in their respective regions."  Good call. 

I accused people of saying USD AND BOALT ARE EQUAL IN THEIR RESPECTIVE REGIONS, I never accused anyone of saying USD is BETTER than Boalt.  If you can't let things go, least you can do is pay attention.

And yes, I think they will be going back to a 160 25th percentile, but 25th percentile don't matter in the rankings, it's the median that counts (I believe). 

Sorry, I quoted the wrong post of yours.  ::)  I should have quoted this to make my point:

I mean, seriously, I'm not trying to say it would be a bad idea to go to USD with full ride over Boalt, but to assert that USD is somehow on the same level as Boalt is just misleading, simple as that.  You guys are acting like Boalt is like the little regional San Francisco school, while USD is the San Diego school, so that means they're about the same.  In reality, Boalt is arguably the best public school in the country, with nearly all of their graduates find jobs, while it seems like at least a quarter of USD's class is jobless after 9 months.  I'm sorry, but that fact alone scares me.

Now, seriously, can we end this?

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Law School Applications / Re: too honest with U of Minn?
« on: April 26, 2007, 06:14:55 PM »
Ahh ok, then yes, you should've lied and said UMinn is your one and only choice.  :D

I kid, but seriously, all hope is not lost by any means.  Simply send an email thanking them for calling you and discussing your admission status.  Then reiterate your strong desire to be part of their incoming class, give a few reasons and close with the "I hope to see you in August" or what have you.

I would not however write merely to say you are taking back what you said about WashU.  That would sound silly and insincere IMO.  I'd just follow up and express your desire to attend.

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Law School Applications / Re: too honest with U of Minn?
« on: April 26, 2007, 05:37:10 PM »
What's the issue?  If you're in a Minn, you can tell them whatever you want and they can't take away your acceptance (at least not over you waiting on another school).

Am I missing something?  ???

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Wait List / Re: Fordham Waitlist Thread (Notifications Off WL)
« on: April 26, 2007, 04:04:00 PM »
No change, for like the 5th time, for me...

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First, who ever said USD is better nationally than Boalt?  I didn't see anyone say that, nor did I accuse anyone of saying it.  That was cute though...it's a difficult distinction for me to make.


But besides that, I agree with everything else, and I'm willing to admit that I'm a 0L who still has a world of learning to do.  With that said, I never claimed to "know it all," and was purely going off what I've read in countless interviews with law school deans. 

So...back to discussing how underrated USD is (I'm being serious).

Ahh, but you did...

This is the only statement that I've been trying to discredit:

All schools outside Harvard and Yale are regional, making Boalt regional, and making San Diego regional, meaning they're essentially equal in their respective regions.

And no, I'm not trying to be an ass.  I just have a hard time letting things go.  :D 

Anyway, yeah, I believe USD is underrated as far as USNWR rankings go, but what are you going to do?  It's a silly number that means the world to 0Ls, and seemingly very little after that.  If I go to USD and see them jump up to T1, will I be happy?  Of course.  If I see them slip into T3, will I be a bit upset?  You bet.  However, it'll be for no other reason than a boost or hit to my ego as I can all but guarantee it will have no effect on my job prospects in 3 years time, for better or worse.   

But regarding the ranking, the 10% boost in employment rate alone should jump USD back up a number of spots.  Also, if LSD is any indication, they are probably going to be back to a 160 25th percentile LSAT.  That should also help a tiny bit.  Then again, there are so many out of place schools in the most current rankings (according to my expert analysis of course), so who knows what will be next year.  I forget what thread it was, but I already did a stat for stat comparison with Pepperdine and USD and saw nothing that warranted Pepperdine being 20 spots higher.  Of course, I know nothing about how the actual ranks are calculated, so my assessment may very well be useless.

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