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oh i forgot to add one more important factor....i'll be alone in USD, meaning i will have no friends or family.  @ Fordham, i will have family members who are also linked to the medical field.

I can relate with you there.  All my friends and family are in NY/FL.  I'm moving to SD alone, but it doesn't seem as though making friends out there is going to be much of an issue at all...

I don't know how important living near your family is to you.  That's something you need to decide.  The friends part, I would not worry about though (assuming you're not an introverted jackass  :)).

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: USD + 20,000.00/yr or Loyola?
« on: May 31, 2007, 06:22:40 PM »
If I prefer to work in southern CA (I am a CA resident), any ideas re whether Hastings or USD +$$ would be a better option?

Wii- I am definitely trying to do all I can for UCLA....and I appreciate the sports metaphor


If SoCal, then USD+$$.


Agreed.  Admittedly, Hastings rejected me.  However, I decided before I even heard from them I'd be going to USD+$$ even if I got into Hastings.  And my scholarship is a) smaller and b) class rank dependent.

I now have the same scholarship you do with the same requirements after asking for another increase. Yet what worries me is that we don't just have to stay in the top 33% of the class but the top 33% of the Day Division. I would recommend that the OP choose UC Hastings because it has a better reputation and won't stress him out with scholarship requirements. I'm sure that there will be other stresses though.

Ehh, I consider the scholarship requirement more motivation to perform better, which will in turn lead to better job prospects.  I didn't expect to be ranked among the part time students.  And Hastings has a better reputation, in an area I have no interest in ever living, so what use is it?

It's not so cut and dry, where you can say "better reputation means go".  In some cases yes.  Not at all in this one, IMO.  There's a much bigger picture to consider.

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If Fordham PT lets me in off the WL, I'll be in your exact situation, only with a few thousand less at USD (and mine's not a grant).  I currently live in NYC.  I'll be going to USD regardless, for many of the reasons you stated.

Not saying that's the right choice for you.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: USD + 20,000.00/yr or Loyola?
« on: May 31, 2007, 03:40:36 PM »
If I prefer to work in southern CA (I am a CA resident), any ideas re whether Hastings or USD +$$ would be a better option?

Wii- I am definitely trying to do all I can for UCLA....and I appreciate the sports metaphor


If SoCal, then USD+$$.


Agreed.  Admittedly, Hastings rejected me.  However, I decided before I even heard from them I'd be going to USD+$$ even if I got into Hastings.  And my scholarship is a) smaller and b) class rank dependent.

Hastings v. USD Depends what kind of work you want to do.  Tons of USD grads working in government, private practice in San Diego, Riverside, Orange, and Imperial coutnies.  Few working in big firms in LA and they are largely displaced by loyola/UCLA in LA government.  Hastings places VERY well in LA, and much better in Federal positions there.  Plus why not take the lower overall tuition and automatic 5k grant at Hastings rather than the uncertainty of the USD scholarship?

For me, it was one word.  Location.  If I was going to make a huge move from NYC, it wasn't going to be to SF.  It's a great city, but not one I'd want to live in.  San Diego on the other hand... I absolutely LOVE.  I'll gladly forego the better paying LA jobs to live in SD, or a bit north.  If someone's goal is purely biglaw and they like SF, by all means, Hastings hands down over USD.  That's just not me.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: USD + 20,000.00/yr or Loyola?
« on: May 31, 2007, 02:12:10 PM »
If I prefer to work in southern CA (I am a CA resident), any ideas re whether Hastings or USD +$$ would be a better option?

Wii- I am definitely trying to do all I can for UCLA....and I appreciate the sports metaphor


If SoCal, then USD+$$.


Agreed.  Admittedly, Hastings rejected me.  However, I decided before I even heard from them I'd be going to USD+$$ even if I got into Hastings.  And my scholarship is a) smaller and b) class rank dependent.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Univ. of Miami anyone?
« on: May 31, 2007, 08:23:02 AM »
well i just got back from visiting UM and Miami.  i will be honest...i wasnt particularly blown away.  the law quad is nice, but the building itself is a bit decrepit.  in fact, all of the buildings at UM are really unimpressive...and well, ugly.  i would understand if this was a public university--but a private one?  i just find it weird that the architects didnt follow the trends from Coral Gables--just some nice spanish style buildings.  the law quad really has a 2 star hotel resort kind of feel.  the hallways, stairwells, and bathrooms werent particularly pleasant...although i am sure that the bathrooms in the library are nice.  i actually rather liked the library.  hopefully, if i decide upon miami (which will have to be in a day), the school will get some sort of minor face lift.  just some new paint or whatever.  they actually were painting a bit when i was there.

while all the benches and tables are nice, i just can't see myself ever using them with the humidity.  i was dying during some parts of the day--and apparently, it's "cold" for miami right about now.  i'll take the nice air conditioned library any day.

i was pretty disappointed with the surrounding area.  whatever, it's not the end of the world.  even stanford has a crappy area right outside of campus (i live in palo alto).  but i really liked coconut grove.  the place had some great restaurants and bars--but no clubs from what i could tell.  coral gables was really dead when i was there--must have been bc of memorial day.  it was a cute town, but there doesnt seem to be anything to do there.

as for miami, the city--south beach was ok.  it was different for memorial day--hip hop festival and whatever.  so, a different crowd...but it was nice to see the area packed.  but the dining around there wasnt too special.  i guess i dont care if i end up living there, but as a tourist, it left a lot to be desired.  the same with the hotels.  but i found most of the locals to be very friendly.  lots of families out late at night, which i thought was cool.  and miami seems to really be booming.  so much construction going on everywhere.

i guess overall, my trip didnt really change my mind.  i kind of expected to not like miami or UM all that much.  i have to literally decide by tomorrow where i want to go.  it's just that it's soooooooo different for me.  the climate, the campus.  i mean, i had to make a similar decision in undergrad when I picked Michigan, but for some reason, picking Miami is a bit tougher.  it just seems more different.  hah.  but i was pleased with what i got out of the career person.  she was very helpful and at least for what i want to do, miami will be the best option for me.

i think i will go with miami in the end, but i definitely still have my doubts.  then again, i will have some doubts regardless of the school i pick.

Not to knock UM or Miami, I'm sure those who go will love it... but I felt exactly the same as you did.  I wrote my review somewhere around here after I got back, and other than a few added things I wasn't impressed with, I wrote the same things about UM itself and its surrounding areas.  Even the heat and humidity, as you mentioned, were a deterrent for me.  That's why I ultimately ended up choosing not to go there, despite it being the best choice financially.  I really think everyone needs to choose the school that will make them happiest (assuming somewhat equal job prospects, of course), and that'll be different for different people.

Good luck.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Wiimote baffled
« on: May 25, 2007, 11:02:30 AM »
I just looked up Brooklyn's job placement statistics and I'm suprised to see their median private sector salary is $112,000! There is apparently an amazing disparity between similarly ranked tier 2 schools. On the one end you have schools like Denver or Loyola which have median starting salaries of $65,000 or so and almost half the class unemployed at graduation. On the other end you have schools like BLS with median starting salaries in six figures and the vast majority employed at graduation.

This begs the question, where can we see (1) Employment @ graduation and (2) median private sector salary for all tier 2 schools? Has someone summarized this information into one easy to access chart?


Wiimote, I'm disappointed in you.  This is usually something you point out to everyone else while trying to "save them".

Starting Salaries (2005 Graduates Employed Full-time)
Private sector (25th-75th percentile): $70,000 - $145,000
Median in the private sector: $112,500
Percent in the private sector who reported salary information: 47%


Since less than 50% report, who knows how accurate the 112k is?  It could really be closer to 70k, or 140k.

I'm not trying to support your "All non-T14s suck" cause, but figured I'd shed some light.  My point here is that almost all salary figures outside the top, top schools are nearly useless.

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You also may attribute the higher number of IP firms OCI at SCU to its location in Silicon Valley.


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Wow Yankees fan, thank you soo much, that was really helpful.

You're welcome.  :)

I'm quite sure that i'm going to give up my scholarship to penn state to go to usd b/c it keeps sounding better and better. At first I was going to choose pepperdine over usd, but I feel as if it's only the hype of it's rise in rankings that's making it more popular than the law school itself.

I gave up 40k over the 3 years at Miami.  Almost 75k if I lose my scholarship.  However, I consider it money well spent. 

And as far as Pepperdine goes, don't let the shift in this year's rankings fool you.  Pepp is a fine law school, but you will not convince me that it went from a relatively far inferior school to USD to better in 12 months time.  USD has tougher admissions requirements, a much better faculty, higher bar passage rate and is about even in all other aspects.  Pepperdine claims like 97% employed within 9 months.  I'd like to know how many of those are at temp jobs photocopying papers and getting coffee for people.  Also, note only 35% of their grads reported salary compared to 75% at USD.  Says something about who's salary statistics to put more faith in.  Rest assured, USD will climb back up next year.

I was afraid the job prospects for usd wasn't going to be good, but if people just don't leave sd b/c of location not b/c they can't find jobs that puts my mind at ease. Even if i don't end up leaving SD, i want to know that even if i did i would find a pretty decent, well paid, job.

Don't expect to make 100k+ coming out of USD.  Is it possible?  Absolutely.  However, it'll require great connections or a very high class ranking (i.e. top 10%).  However, there are many well paying jobs for the taking if you perform well enough.  Don't expect a great job if you place in the bottom of your class.  However, that will be no different at PSU or Pepperdine.

When you say near usd campus, is it walkable? or do i need to invest in a car? I kind of want to live near other law students for ease of studying or whatever else, b/c i know absolutely nobody in sd.

It depends where.  Some yes, some no.  The ones that are walkable are about a 5-15 minute walk.  Some are down a steep hill though, which might deter some people.

I must be killing you with all my questions, but do you know what the students at usd are like? i really don't want to go to a nonsocial school or a school full of snobs and arrogant students. is it a pretty chilled environment?

Well, what really sold me on USD was just how happy and friendly all the USD students were.  It's one of about 4-5 schools I visited, and none of the others compared IMO.  Everyone was genuinely happy and seemed to know everyone.  I've also spoken to many current students online and they couldn't be nicer.  It's definitely as chill an environment you'll find at a law school, from what I can tell.  This was immensely important to me as I too will be moving out there from very far, knowing absolutely no one.  I wouldn't have chosen USD if I wasn't absolutely sure it was a great place to not only study, but make friends.

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