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Law School Admissions / Re: Emory question
« on: March 01, 2007, 12:03:02 PM »
I was wailisted and was able to get a username and password today. I do get an error when I click on the link to access the actual site.  It says the page was not found.  Sounds like a server issue to me.  

Law School Admissions / Re: Vanderbilt Acceptances
« on: February 24, 2007, 08:14:19 AM »
What exactly does this mean?

That he was waitlisted and withdrew his application.

Alright GW, today is the day.  Anne, I turned the ringer on for ya!

Law School Admissions / Re: Vanderbilt Acceptances
« on: February 24, 2007, 06:11:15 AM »
That would be nice.  Last year they placed a very large # of people on the list. However, it didn't seem like more than a handful of people were pulled. I guess all we can do is hope at this point.   



I'm graduating this year. I went through recruiting season this last fall. There were about 18 accounting firms recruiting on campus. Mostly for accountants, but I know a few lawyers who didn't mind going to work for an accounting firm and received offers.

Denver is a hard market to get a tax job in and many of the firms stated that they only recruit for tax at DU. So if you are in Denver and you want a job in tax DU is the place.

As for lawyers seeking jobs at law firms, I know several people who have had some luck though it is much more difficult and many find that getting a job at a law firm in Denver is very competitive because of the size of the market and the number of transplants who are already over-qualified moving here. That being said, I have some friends who have received job offers (through Mark V.) and others who were picked up by some of the professors (they also have practices) but if you want big law, this obviously is not the place.

I would say that there are two kinds of students at DU. (besides accountants and lawyers). There are students who really want to learn taxation and the many issues around taxes, and would like to work in Tax. Then there are others who received there J.D. but didn't receive a Job offer from that experience so they go on for an LLM hoping to secure a job in Tax at any law office. Obviously these candidates did not do so well in recruiting. Curiously they are the same students who never attend class and are skiing on the mountain four days a week.

The law students that I find who are interested in Tax are the ones who find jobs in law firms, or are interested enough to take an accounting job as a last resort. Your interest will drive your employment.

As for employment outside of the Denver area in accounting the prospects are even better. If you want to work at a Big-4 Accounting firm and are a MST Student then you have very good opportunities anywhere in the west and mid-west. As for the east coast the program is not as well known as I found out first hand so it takes a little more work to work in an east coast office but it can be done. As for employment for lawyers I cannot say because almost all the lawyers I talk to want to stay in Denver.

As for my own experience in recruiting at DU I ended with a job offer from each of the four big 4 accounting firms in New York, accepting with one of them. My background though is in accounting and I wanted to work at a national accounting firm.

As for classes I would recommend so far would be....

Property (Roche) Demanding, but excellent;

Corp II (Gelt) Again, demanding, but excellent;

International (Wilson); he is very knowledgeable though you will need to do much reading to understand his train of thought during lectures ;

Consolidation (Kozik), he was a E&Y for many years but his class lacks structure so your going to get what you put into it;

Civil & Criminal (D' Estrada), he works at the IRS so a good resource of their train of thought.

Advanced Partnership (Gelt), his specialty area of practice.

Most of the other required classes are taught by Walker (who I have heard is very good, but have not had him personally),

Vogal (who is decent but you need to put a lot of work into his classes to get something of value out of the lectures and it doesn’t help to email him from time to time for more information, he’s very busy teaching CPE credits and running the tax program)

Loggeman (very fast paced, so make sure you ask a lot of questions to slow him down or you might miss something)

Conrad (have heard he is straight forward, but have not had him personally).

Hope this helps.

Got this info from another board that is fairly focused on the tax profession.  Take it for what it's worth.

Law School Admissions / Re: misdemeanor/felony convictions and aquittals
« on: February 17, 2007, 12:04:18 PM »
any convictions pre-18 yo.  It's sealed, juvenile stuff that is untouchable.

Not true.  It isn't public record anymore, but government agencies (ie. bar examiners) can access that information.

Law School Admissions / Re: misdemeanor/felony convictions and aquittals
« on: February 17, 2007, 08:30:21 AM »
I also have some issues (four to be exact) that I was unsure whether or not I needed to address.  Instead of just speculating, I went to one of the judges who sits on the Character and Fitness committee of the bar in my state and asked.  He told me that they do a very thorough check into each application and that if facts have been omitted, or if facts in the law school application do not match facts in the bar application red flags begin flying.  He said that dishonesty will get you denied for the bar quicker than any little infraction.  Schools just want to make sure that you have learned from you mistakes and will be able to sit for the bar (e.g. no murder comvictions, etc..).  If you assure them you have learned from your mistakes (which you should have no problem doing), then you will be fine. 

In case you wondered, I ended up disclosing EVERYTHING on my applications.  So far I have received two handwritten notes with my acceptance letters commending me on my honesty and a couple of phone calls.  The only damage I think my disclosure did was get me waitlisted at one school that I'm pretty sure I could have gotten in. That loss, in my opinion, is not even comparable to the possibility of a denial to sit for the bar due to some "lack of honesty".  The best advice I can give you is to disclose everything and don't look back.  Don't let some silly little mistakes turn into something bigger than they are.  If I, someone with relatively serious arrests, can still get into the schools I want, you certainly have nothing to worry about.

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