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1. bump

2. At this rate, the college football thread will pass this thread in post count by 2020.

3. Julie Fern still posts here?!

4. jsia

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: SSAT study material
« on: October 23, 2007, 02:30:15 AM »
Seriously, she doesn't need to study for the SSAT. If she needs the boost for whatever high school, she should not go there. Surrounding her with smarter and more privileged kids will not help her because when it comes time to go to college, they'll have better test scores or college connections.

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Even in 2002, the signs were there, but it took some serious investigation.

These law schools should be ashamed, but, as the article noted, there is too much money for them to walk away. The Seton Hall guy who became an electrician should start a suit against these schools. I'm not one for class actions, but taking money from naive 22 year old kids by offering something you don't have is pretty disgusting.

To those blaming these kids completely: Yes, they could have done more research and figured it out; however, that does not excuse the schools' behavior. I could con a lot of money from old people, but just because they're dumb enough to fall for it does not make it illegal.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: TTT PRIDE? HONEST ADVICE SOUGHT
« on: October 03, 2007, 12:54:22 AM »
Why not just an LLM?

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And I'll do my best to make "life" hell for all the overpriced law schools out there.  I paid for law school by taking out loans in my own name, but I was also thrifty enough to choose a relatively inexpensive state university.  Many of my peers were not so fortunate.  Many have extraordinarily burdensome loans and poor job prospects.  That's why I post this stuff.  Not to complain about how bad my life is, but to put information out there on the reality of law school and the job market.

If people still make bad decisions after learning the truth, well, that's their deal. 


I like how you congratulate yourself for choosing an inexpensive school. Wise move. However, I don't understand why you attribute the decision to good luck. It's good that people are posting about the real job prospects for nearly all students not at a T30, but it's not fair to blame other people's choices on bad luck. When I applied, I knew that most of these schools were giving bad data. I did my homework. That is not luck. If these people are dumb enough to choose to pay for a degree that is 90% likely to be worthless, let them choke on their debt.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Vandy $$$ or UVA
« on: April 25, 2007, 10:03:17 PM »
UVa >>>>>>>>>> Vandy for job opportunities, including in the south. You'd be saving some cash, but taking a risk with your career options.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Which would you choose?
« on: April 25, 2007, 12:41:26 PM »
Here's the dilemma- My options are Creighton, University of Tulsa, or South Texas College of Law. According to the NALP directory, South Texas seems to be the place to be. I wouldn't mind living in any of these places though (Omaha, Tulsa , or Houston). I'm just struggling with going to a traditional university (Creighton, Tulsa) over a non-traditional school (South Texas). Is it detrimental to go to a law school that is not connected to a major university? What are some of your opinions between the two different types of schools? South Texas seems to emphasize a hands on, practical appproach. They state that "we only teach theory when it is needed". This sounds appealing to me. Tulsa seems to have a good small town-like environment where everyone knows your name, however, I've read where their first year is really intense. While Creighton seems to have the name recognition. However, if anyone is familiar with these schools, I would greatly appreciate your advice. Thank you.

Don't worry about what they're going to teach you. Go to the school in the region you most want to practice in.

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Acceptances / Re: What is considered "big law"?
« on: April 24, 2007, 10:35:32 PM »
How much debt would people say is payable with ease through jobs other than BIGLAW?  under 70K .. Under 80k... ??

General rule of thumb: you can afford debt equal to your starting salary.

As for Biglaw, it's generally 200+ lawyers at firms that pay market, which is the top rate commonly found at the top firms in a market. Market is 135 in Milwaukee, 145 in Chicago/DC/Atlanta, and 160 in NYC.

So, if you are racking up 6 figure debt, you better be going to a school that's going to get you a job that can pay the debt. If you're not at a top school (T10/14), you're chances of BIGLAW are slim. It's not impossible, it's just not likely.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: UNC v. Stetson (free)
« on: February 15, 2007, 05:09:16 PM »
Still, you can't go wrong with Stetson if you plan to practice in the state of FL.  If that's your plan then I would (personally) choose Stetson.
Stetson does NOT place well in FL. I have a buddy who finished in the top 1/3 and could not find a job. He is a normal guy, so interviewing was not the issue.

Just because you "have a buddy" who went to Stetson but can't get a job (apparently this "buddy" is one of 8 out of 272 recent grads who is both unemployed and seeking employment) does not mean that Stetson doesn't place well inside Florida. 

Like I said, it isn't in the same class as UF, FSU and UM but its graduates do just fine in FL, particularly central FL. 
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My buddy has a job, but it's terrible. I was just pointing out that doing better than average at Stetson does not mean good things will follow.

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Considering I want to do tax (I have been in public accounting for several years), would it be unwise to consider going to UF due to their strong LLM tax program for my JD rather than a school such as GW (if I get in part-time)?  I know the LLM profs teach a lot of the tax classes on the JD level, but will that really translate into marketability in the tax world or should one choose the school with the better reputation?  Any thoughs?

Definitely go to GW if you want tax. It's competitive (for some reason unknown to me), so it's best to go to the best school you can get into. Most firms view LLMs as for students who went to lesser schools and need a better name on the resume to get into BIGLAW.

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