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Florida Coastal is an up-and-coming school.  I think Clarence Thomas went there, so you'd have an in if you want work for him.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: 'Recent" LOR?
« on: October 15, 2007, 11:55:25 AM »
You might ask the person to redate and mail the letter again.  Just a thought.

Yes, but make sure you deactivate the old letters on the LSAC Web site, otherwise all the letters will go out.  That will look suspicious. 

Without meaning to sound like an XOXOer, isn't it the student's fault if he chooses a poorly ranked school that costs a lot and in which he has a tiny chance of attaining a market-rate job?

Okay, the true TTT law schools shouldn't exist in the first place.  But the applicant should know what he's getting into.  The onus is on him to spend his educational budget, or lack thereof, wisely.

I just can't bring myself to feel too guilty about the guy who chose to go to pay full price for a place like Loyola and then acts surprised when his median grades don't get him a BIGLAW j-o-b.

Is that Buckwheat in your photo?

Buckwheat by the time he was old enough to graduate from Harvard Law.  Hey, he's an URM with great LORs.

Buckwheat was shot.  I saw it live on tv.

(Let's also not forget that no one here really wants to do document review, any more than they want to do dangerous, unpleasant manual labor like making cars.)

 :D Yes, our corporate masters are actually doing us a favor.  We're "better" than doc review and manual labor.

Idiotic argument, if you could even call that tripe an "argument."

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Suggestions for 1L prep
« on: October 09, 2007, 07:25:21 AM »
Getting to Maybe

Planet Law School II by Atticus Falcon

much much much later: LEEWS   (

PLS?  Seriously?  Have you even read the book?  Have you talked to anyone who is in law school?  They will tell you that PLS is a joke, and that spending forever prepping for law school is ridiculous. 

Wow, umm yeah read it.  in school myself.  "spending forever" prepping for anything is ridiculous.  He's sarcastic.  But once you get past that, some of what he says is quite helpful.  I don't think u can prep for LS, its something that u just have to be in to know. But if someone just HAS to prep I suggest LEEWS and PLS.  Then if they really want to go further with their prep-  E & E's.  Maybe read some cases online just to get used to it.

I didn't do everything Falcon suggested, mainly because by the time I read his book I was only a few months from orientation, but I did manage to get through most of the Examples & Explanations books, plus both of Delaney's books (Learning Legal Reasoning, How to Do Your Best on Law School Exams). 

There is no question in my mind that I am light years ahead of my classmates in my understanding of the material.  There's a lot that is to be ignored in PLS, but if you have the time, the pre-law prep he suggests is great IMO.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Suggestions for 1L prep
« on: October 09, 2007, 07:21:25 AM »
You guys can pre-prep to your heart's content, but the people who follow PLS2 style pre-prep are not usually the ones with top grades.

On what evidence did you base this claim?

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Why not part time?
« on: October 08, 2007, 08:21:29 PM »
Lol at MBA being license to print money...

Who the f*ck said that?

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Why not part time?
« on: October 08, 2007, 01:19:52 AM »
This is my first post here so first of all I wanted to say hi, I've enjoyed reading everyoneís posts so far.

My current GPA is 3.403 with a Bachelors of Science degree in computer information systems. I took the LSAT September 29th and I have yet to get my score back. I know from practice tests i have taken it will probably not be good. I do well on all the other sections just can't seem to get above a 50% on LG section. So Iím expecting a LSAT score of 152-156. I think I will enjoy being a lawyer but the main goal is to make the most money possible. That being said the best chances of that will be for me to go to the most prestigious school possible. I have been looking on the USNEWS reports and found that several of the big schools have part time programs that have much lower admission standards. Is there a down side besides the extra year, especially if I use the extra time to network? Also do I have to directly apply for part time or will they just default me to this status when my stats are not good enough for full time.

p.s. Will my lack of ability in the LG section greatly affect my ability to do well in law school? Iím not sure what skill this directly tests but I seem to not posses it

Thanks for the help


Part time is a great option for many, as it helps you mitigate, if not completely eliminate, your debt load.  That said, if the bolded portion of your post is true, then you should think long and hard about whether the law is for you.  A law degree is not a license to print money.  If money is what you're after then I suggest an MBA.


Scroll to page 28 (29/99 on .pdf)

"There is no requirement at the law school that grades in upper class courses follow a specific distribution. First year large-section required courses must average between 2.95 and 3.05. First year small-section courses must average between 2.90 and 3.10. First year freshman electives and the course in Legal Research and Writing I/II are not subject to this rule."

Holy sh*t!  Page 28 of your school's handbook covered it!

I stand corrected.

Even in 2002, the signs were there, but it took some serious investigation.

These law schools should be ashamed, but, as the article noted, there is too much money for them to walk away. The Seton Hall guy who became an electrician should start a suit against these schools. I'm not one for class actions, but taking money from naive 22 year old kids by offering something you don't have is pretty disgusting.

To those blaming these kids completely: Yes, they could have done more research and figured it out; however, that does not excuse the schools' behavior. I could con a lot of money from old people, but just because they're dumb enough to fall for it does not make it illegal.

It isn't just "kids."  I know ADULTS who simply did not know how law school worked before discovering it on a message board, of all places.  I was one of them.  It is silly to think that a prospective student should somehow have the divine insight to *know* to ask tough questions of their law school's admin staff. 

WTF was I supposed to ask?  "Um, excuse me Dean Soandso, but can you tell me whether or not you are lying about your employment and salary numbers?  Are you gaming them to make yourself look better for USNWR?"

Should I have asked this question before or after I was accepted?  If I'd asked during the tour, before I was accepted, would such questions have enhanced or hurt my prospects of admittance?


Hopefully, the more information like that contained in this thread and in the WSJ articles spreads, the more informed prospective students will become.  Still, I think we both can agree that it is LAUGHABLE that such information must proliferate through Web sites and message boards and chat rooms when it SHOULD be coming from the schools themselves.  Then again, honesty like that might kill the cash cow...

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