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On a related note: should I be worried since I did humanitarian work this summer in India, wrote about it in my personal statement, and got accepted to a T5?

I really did, I swear!

Sure you did, Slow Children At Play...if that's your real name.

Seriously though, Personal statement are just like resumes, and anybody who has to read abunch of resumes will tell you that most of them contain some fluff.  That's why objective numbers that you can't distort, alter, etc. determine 90% of your admission chances.  Beside, even if the guy did lie about India, his story may have been so well written that it impressed the adcomms.  Lawyers often have to create alternate scenarios to impress the judges.

So this person gets my feminine product award, but if he had a high GPA and High LSAT then I'm not going to fuss. 

fluff, slight embelishment and polish are all much different than outright lying. Most anywhere you work will fire you if they find out you lied about something significant on your resume. To assume that the person got in on the merits of how well written it was versus what the law schools perceived he did is naive. No law school will let that slide if they find out about it. Whatever your perceptions of the law profession, ethics is something that is at least given heavy lipservice.

Numbers don't justify lying.

I agree- they will fire you if they find out.  However, they won't bother to find out if the quality of your work justifies your hiring, and if someone tells them anyway (as would be the case in this example), they would give you the benefit of the doubt- again, if your work justifies your hiring.  Plus, not to appear cold-hearted or cynical, but if you read the personal statements available through this site, you would think everybody's parents are divorced, their girlfriend died, they were victims of racism or poverty, and/or they helped starving third world children.  So how does an adcomm choose one of these candidates over another- quality of writing and numbers.  From what I gather, this guy wasn't even a bubble candidate so his personal statement wasn't even read or wasn't given much importance compared to his numbers.  Again, lying's wrong and I wouldn't advocate it, but if the guy's numbers alone justify his admission then I wouldn't put up a fuss, especially based on hearsay evidence. 

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Ok, I can understand that, but why in the hell did we have to copy that "I swear not to divulge..." statement in cursive.  I thought that was the hardest part of the test for those of us who print.

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On a related note: should I be worried since I did humanitarian work this summer in India, wrote about it in my personal statement, and got accepted to a T5?

I really did, I swear!

Sure you did, Slow Children At Play...if that's your real name.

Seriously though, Personal statement are just like resumes, and anybody who has to read abunch of resumes will tell you that most of them contain some fluff.  That's why objective numbers that you can't distort, alter, etc. determine 90% of your admission chances.  Beside, even if the guy did lie about India, his story may have been so well written that it impressed the adcomms.  Lawyers often have to create alternate scenarios to impress the judges.

So this person gets my feminine product award, but if he had a high GPA and High LSAT then I'm not going to fuss. 

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Compared to the prevailing views of the upper British elite of the 1930's Churchill was pretty much without prejudice

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Anyone bringing pets?
« on: March 10, 2007, 10:05:45 PM »
I'm bringing my Pomeranian.  I'm hoping we can find an affordable dog-walking service wherever I end up.

I'm bringing two beagles and I'm trying to find decent housing that doesn't charge $500 extra per pet per year.  Luckily they are the world's laziest dogs so after our morning walks they sleep most of the day till I or my wifetobe gets home at 2 or 3 pm. 

Really? I heard beagles are incredibly active. Or are you talking about your specific dogs?

My Chihuahua does the same - sleeps all day, but I think that's because he's now 10 years old :P

Beagles can be really active if you get them up and moving.  But left to do their own thing, they are notoriously lazy like Basset Hounds.   

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What do you guys think?  Does the increased transparency of the admissions process due to the existence of lsn.com make schools more apt to be more formulaic in their admissions decisions?

I don't know about the schools, but it definitely helped me decide on where to apply since I knew which schools I had a realistic shot at by comparing myself to the accepted candidates.  And it helped me find other candidates that I could "compare notes" with.  Armed with this kind of info. I think I made a much better decision on my educational future.  Along with this site, LSN saved me about $9000 when I discovered people who could tell me how to negotiate for better financial packages.  

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Financial Aid / Re: An EFC of 0 ????
« on: March 10, 2007, 09:54:08 PM »
I've gotten a couple of preliminary aid packages, so I can say this much: my EFC was slightly less than $10K.  School 1 gave me the full amount of subsidized and unsubsidized Stafford loans, about 1/2 tuition in scholarship $$, $4K in work-study funds, and the rest of the attendance cost in private loans.  School 2 gave me the full amount of Stafford loans, a full-tuition scholarship, and a tiny private loan I won't be taking ($136 - not worth it).  Neither school mentioned a thing about EFC and I didn't see it reflected anywhere.

So, it doesn't seem like there's any need to panic about EFCs unless your school calculates financial aid vastly differently than these do.

Can you clarify for me?  I don't think I understand the "full amount of Stafford loans"- does this mean that the Stafford loans by themselves would have covered the entire expected cost of living?

Yep.  The COL at School 2 (where I'll probably be going) adds up to $20,636.  Since I'm eligible for $20,500 in Staffords, I could borrow the extra hundred bucks in a private loan, but that's just dumb, IMO.

Thanks for the info.  But if you take the full-tuition scholarship does that mean the amount of Stafford loan money available to you would dropped to whatever COL the scholarship doesn't cover. 

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So...how does this effect people who have April 1st seat deposits?  Will you wait for the issue to make sure your school didn't drop, and then overnight your deposit?  Or send it in and just pray?

Which schools have those? i thought they were all April 15th at the earliest?

Baylor
Columbia
Hastings
Alabama
W&L 4/2
plus a handful that require written acceptance of scholarships by April 1st.

EDIT:  I have no proof that these schools are April 1st deposit deadlines.  I'm just going off of what was in the seat deposit thread.  So, take it up with whoever posted there. 

If W&L has an April 1st deadline then I guess I should expect that I won't be accepted.

EDIT: I am definitely going to use the next rankings to inform my decision. New data and such. Plus it will give me a feel for the trends going on. I'm also going to use LSN to get a feel for this year's cycle. I want to go to a school that is getting better, not worse or even stagnating.

But more importantily you want to go to a school that matches your career plans.  That doesn't necessarily mean going to the highest rank school.  Also, "stagnating???"  I don't consider a school that stays in the upper 30's, let's say, as being stagnant.  It just means that school is maintaining its high standards.  Besides, don't expect major ranking changes.  Usually the schools simply switch numbers back and forth from year to year.  So one school could be 21 one year, 22 the next, and back to 21 again. 

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: The Alabama Thread
« on: March 10, 2007, 09:44:01 PM »
Don't forget that they're building the tallest building in Alabama there (or is it already done)?
 

Not yet complete but pretty much the outside of the building is finished.  After seeing their recent urban development (the Government Plaza), I must say the new RSA tower is a vast improvement to the city skyline.  But then again anything would be to the ugly eyesore plaza.

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