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Law School Rankings / Re: Do the new rankings change your mind?
« on: March 31, 2007, 08:19:16 AM »
I have absolutely no idea where I want to eventually live (and practice), so I can't really base my decision on location.  One thing is for sure...after visiting the Penn State campus, I think that has dropped to one of my last choices...(funny too, since my luck will probably include me getting dinged everywhere BUT there...lol)

Oh well.  Rankings aren't as important as atmosphere, and if the school seems like a good fit.  Unfortunately, if I get any acceptances back (still waiting), I probably won't have the funds (or the time) to check out the school before deciding.  So I'm stuck with looking at rankings, and message boards where hopefully I can talk to people at those schools.

Wish I knew where I wanted to live when I finish law school...would have made the process easier  :-\

I had a debate in a thread a few months ago about this issue and students in your situation.  I will say that I don't think rankings are absolutely worthless, but I wouldn't base my entire decision on attending one school over another simply because this one is a 54 and this one is a 57, etc.  What you can do is first decide on a few regions you may want to practice.  That doesn't have to mean down to a particular part of a state but more like Southeast, Mid-Atlantic, NE, West Coast, etc.  Surely there are a few preferences here.  As for myself, I had 2 regions of the country I liked so then I used the rankings to pick out the 15 or so highest ranked schools in those regions.  Then I began my research comparing and contrasting the schools- for instance, their national reputation, starting salaries for new grads, cost of education, teacher to student ratios, feedback from current students, pictures of their campus (like yourself, finances and a very busy job prevented a trip to college campuses for me), info. about the city and even states where these law schools were located especially in regards to the job market, local public schools (fiancée is a teacher), proximity to friends and family, and then also likelihood of acceptance, etc.  After  this I got down to about 8 schools and then also prioritized them.

Now in the end, for me, because of it's location, my familiarity with the campus and law school, available job already offered to my fiancee, the proximity to most of my friends and family, the cost of education and scholarship money, UGA won, even though Alabama is now equally ranked and offered me more $$$$, and to be honest was a better recruiter.  Still I know I will be happy at UGA, and a happy student general makes a better student.   

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Law School Rankings / Re: Now Alabama vs. Georgia
« on: March 30, 2007, 09:02:24 PM »
They look like they're about dead even.  I've heard that UA is increasing their faculty by 50% next year.  If they do and keep the class size the same, they'll have to go up.  Of course there's always the chance that their entering class data for this year changes and helps/hurts their rankings as well.  I think that's mainly what happened with UT (lower GPA and LSAT than previous year).  It does seem like UA is actively trying to make the school/rankings better.  I am curious just how high they can go before they peak.

Exactly, Alabama gives me the impression that they are trying to improve while Georgia looks like they are only resting on past laurels.  If it wasn't for my own and my fiancee's preference for Georgia the state, I would be Bama bound in a heartbeat.

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Law School Rankings / Re: Do the new rankings change your mind?
« on: March 30, 2007, 08:59:08 PM »
Hasn't affected my decision at all.  Talking to many mid and biglaw hiring partners has opened my eyes to the fact that, since I won't be going to a t14, location should be the single most important factor in my decision. It sounds like you are in the same boat as me. Don't let USNews choose your law school for you.

I am amazed how so many 0L disagree with you and think only rankings, rankings, rankings, and how many hring lawyers agree with you and think location, location, location. 

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The reason why the administration is refusing to comment at the moment is that we have procedures in place.  The accused has an opportunity for a fair hearing and has an opportunity to present his side of the story.  It would be irresponsible for the university to start commenting on the incident when there are hearings and trials going on.  I believe that we have some sort of trial-type thing going on where university students are randomly chosen and they ultimately render a verdict.  It would be unfair for the administration to influence the opinions of potential jurors before they hear all the facts of the case.  Most of the campus is already somewhat biased due to all the buzz going on but the administration shouldn't make it any worse by running its mouth. 

It's called "Due Process"... we sorta use it in the criminal justice system and last i heard they put something like it in the US constitution... if this whole thing sounds alien to you, maybe you should go look it up before deciding to go to law school

I agree.  Actually, if there are two sides to this event, wouldn't those sides be the two students in the fight- the one who is gay and the one who is straight.  Did any paper get a comment from the straight student or any other witnesses besides the two gay students.  No offense, but until more testimony is on hand, I think the gay student could be portraying this fight as a "hate crime" for his own "Get out of Jail Free" card.  I'm not saying that's what happened, I am just saying that could be a scenario as well.  After all, what about being gay automatically means you can't be the antagonist in a fight.  Just like straight people, I know alot of gay people who get "mouthy" when they're drunk and get their rears kicked for it regardless of if they are gay or not.   

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: The Alabama Thread
« on: March 30, 2007, 08:06:02 PM »
How can you not love a state that's hosting a Poison concert in June?

http://www.thewharfal.com/calendar.asp

My future wife now hates you for all of eternity for giving me this information ;D.  On April 21st at 10 a.m. I will be buying tickets on Ticketmaster 8).

I literally have been trying to get "Every Rose Has Its Thorns" be our first dance song as a married couple.  Can you believe that I have to settle for Joe Cocker?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiEpLI5exrU

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: The Alabama Thread
« on: March 30, 2007, 04:48:52 PM »
Congrats to you Bama Bound students.  In a few years Bama may become the top SEC law school besides Vandy.

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Law School Rankings / Re: Now Alabama vs. Georgia
« on: March 30, 2007, 04:47:02 PM »
But since you asked, I looked it up:

Rank, Points, Peer Assessment, Lawyer Assessment, '06 GPA, '06 LSAT, '06 Acceptance Rate, '06 Student/Faculty Ratio, '05 Grads employed at grad, '05 Grads employed 9 months, Bar passage in jurisdiction, Overall bar passage

University of Alabama
36 55 2.8 3.3 3.29-3.83 159-165 32.0% 11.3 84.8%  98.4% 97.3%/AL 80%
 
University of Georgia
36 55 3.0 3.2 3.39-3.85 156-164 22.6% 15.7 83.0%  98.2% 91.4%/GA 85%

Thanks for the info.  Don't worry, I'm not at all thinking about jumping ship.  I was just curious to see if Georgia tanked in the reputation survey and Alabama peaked.  From my own impression of two schools, location, location, location puts Georgia ahead for me (I'm a Georgia guy what can I say?) along with their alumni network in the Southeast, but I must admit their administration is somewhat sloppy while Bama is a much more aggressive, better recruiter and more generous with their scholarship dollars.  If Georgia keeps going the way they are then Alabama will pass them and if that is the case, Pres. Adams might want to look for a new Dean.

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Law School Applications / Re: Anyone Waitlisted at Washington and Lee?
« on: March 30, 2007, 09:14:26 AM »
Anyone out there waitlisted at Washington and Lee?  I am holding out hope that they have to pull off the waitlist.  Anyone else have interest in going there, any idea about their waitlist (I know its all just guesses on our part)?

I'm in the same situation, but from just looking at LSN for last year, I might not hear back from W&L till July about whether I'm in or out.  So I chose another school instead.  Of course, I am about to be married so it takes longer for two people to plan a move than just one, and thus I had to decide on a school a little bit sooner than most folks I guess.  

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Law School Rankings / Now Alabama vs. Georgia
« on: March 30, 2007, 09:03:02 AM »
Well now Georgia and Bama are tied for #36  Tiny part of me regrets turning down a full tuition scholarship at Bama for 3k annual at Georgia.  However, since the only part of the rankings I care about is the professionals' reputation survey, does anybody know how Bama and UGA compared in this regard?

Thanks

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Law School Rankings / U. of North Carolina- Chapel Hill
« on: March 30, 2007, 08:58:38 AM »
Does anybody know what happen to University of North Carolina–Chapel Hill to cause them to drop from the mid-20's to mid 30's?

Just curious.

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