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Law School Admissions / Re: application help please
« on: January 05, 2007, 07:24:25 AM »
so i've filled out my apps and i've saved them on lsac

now what exactly do i do

if i dont have my recs in yet can i still send the apps?

how do i do that?

how long after sending it am i "complete"?

You can (and should) send in the applications right away and all other materials will be forwarded to the schools after it arrives.  The only thing to keep in mind is that if you have more recs than are required, LSAC forwards them as they come in and the schools may consider your file complete and send it for review before all of your recs arrive.  If the school requires 1 rec and  you send in 3, they may not wait for the last 2.  That would be one reason to hold of sending in the application until your recs arrive.  The LSAC system should explain how to send them in, basically you need to pay LSAC, pay any application fees and attach any supplementary docs (like your ps). 

You are complete at a school when you've sent in all required docs including App, ps, LORs required.  Good luck

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Law School Admissions / room at the top
« on: January 05, 2007, 07:15:01 AM »
This might be crazy or overly optimistic, but I've complied a list of top law schools and their class size of 1L's:

Yale: 180
Stanford: 180
Harvard: 560
Columbia: 380
NYU: 450
Chicago: 200
Penn: 240
Boalt: 270
Mich:  360
VA: 360

total:  3180 top 10

Ok, now if we look at the LSAT in terms of percentage and not score then there are a finite amount of people who could have scored higher than 170.  Lets say that is the  97th percentile (I'm basing my percentages on the October 2006 - but I imagine they remain consistent).  Lets say this year there are 80,000 applicants (I'm being liberal, I've heard that there will be more like 60,000), so the highest 3% is only 2400.  All of them are getting into a top 10 if they want it.  Lets go to the next percentile.  Another 800 (total 3200).  Pretty much all of them are getting in to (that brings us about down to 168-169 range). 

Now obviously there are othe factors such as gpa, softs, but for the purpose of this, lets just tell the truth and admit that they don't matter as much as LSAT.  Of course, some people are going to choose lower schools for scholarship money and some people with lower schools will be auto-admits because of URM status (I'm not criticizing the system, these are just facts).  But even so, I think that anyway over the 96% can rest assured that he/she will get into a top ten. 

Now lets go and add the others in the t14s. 

Duke: 200
Northwestern: 240
Cornell: 190
Georgetown: 450 (ft)

That's another 1080 to add to the pot.  Which brings us down another percentage point to the 95% LSAT (167ers).  In total there are 4260 spots in t14 schools and there are 4000 people who scored better than 95%.  You are all getting in.

The reality is that all things being equal, anyone in the highest 95% should be getting in to a t14.  But the lower the LSAT, the better other factors need to be.  A 167er with a 3.2 GPA, hasn't got a prayer.  So my point in this is not say that everyone will get in.  Only that if you didn't break 170, but you broke 167 and you didn't get in, then there is something else about your application that is weak.  Most likely GPA, but it could also be a badly written PS or LORs, who knows.  But don't blame your LSAT score - there was room for you at the top. 

Again, this is all my opinion, I am not an admissions officer and I don't have any inside knowledge of the system.  I'm also not a mathematician, so feel free to tell me that this is a totally wrong way to look at the system. 

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Law School Admissions / Re: Fee Waivers for DEC LSATers?
« on: January 05, 2007, 06:34:15 AM »
I got UCLA, Indiana University at Bloomington, Temple, and at ;east five others that didn't interest me at all.

Why do top law schools, like UCLA, send out fee waivers, especially to me with my 95% percentile LSAT?   

Is it worth it to apply to a school with a fee waiver, which I 95% would not attend if accepted due to location or prestige?  Is there something to be said for "collecting acceptances?"

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Law School Admissions / Re: writing sample after deferral???
« on: January 04, 2007, 02:14:01 PM »
Should it be a graded copy with remarks on it, or a fresh copy?



My instict is to send a fresh copy.  They can assuem that if I"m sending in the paper it got good marks, and I'd rather they decide for themselves how to interpret things than read a professor's comments.  Also, the paper I wrote was written a few years ago, so I've re-edited it slightly.  No point in letting them see typos or akward wording, I've since learned to edit out. 

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Law School Admissions / Re: writing sample after deferral???
« on: January 04, 2007, 01:31:22 PM »
Is there anything more you can send them about yourself, like a diversity statement or update of what you're doing?  I think 6 pages is too long and they already have your PS and LSAT as writing samples...I think they would prefer to hear more about you...

I'm having trouble writing a diversity statement.  I think my PS about why I want to go to law school covered a lot of the unique things that I've done in my life in a positive way.  I'm finding all my drafts of diversity statements turn into a rant about my childhood, community, high schools, etc.  It is true that I've had to overcome certain things and that there were obstacles in my path, but compared to others, I know that I've had it easy.  Also, no matter what the truth is about my background, I'd rather not play the sympathy card. And as I said, all of the positive things were already pointed out in my original PS, so expounding more on that could be redundant.   

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Law School Admissions / writing sample after deferral???
« on: January 04, 2007, 01:06:25 PM »
Having been deferred at three schools (so far), I'd like to up my chances by sending in supplemental material.  I've already sent one excellent PS and four LORs, so I'd rather not send more of the same.  One school said they would accept writing samples. 

I'm thinking of sending in a paper I wrote a few years ago.  I've re-edited it and it's now 6 pages (including bibliography).  It's not my absolute best work, but it's probably the best sample of my work under 10 pages and I feel like the shorter it is, the more likely they are to actually read it. The paper is an ethical analysis of a historical issue, but not too controversial.     

Do you think that there is any way that sending in a quality writing sample could hurt me?   I'd like to send it even to the schools that didn't specifically request more material,  in order to show that I'm still interested.   I don't mind sending it in if it doesn't make a difference or could help a little, but I don't want to shoot myself in the foot.  Is there any way that sending in an unrequested 6 page writing sample could annoy an admissions committee and hurt my chances?   

Please send comments, thoughts? 

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Law School Admissions / Re: Held at Michigan
« on: January 03, 2007, 01:37:10 PM »
I think it was a nice gesture.  It's strange that it should matter to me, but I really value these little gestures from schools.  The email updates, occasional letters, etc, sorta shows me something about the administration of that school.  With the schools that don't bother sending you anything for two or three months, you have to wonder if they've even looked at your application or if they care.  GULC has been great about sending information, new years cards, letters, setting up visits and it makes a difference to me. 

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Law School Admissions / Re: Retake LSAT ??
« on: January 03, 2007, 01:34:14 PM »
how do you get a fee waiver to retake the lsat?

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Law School Admissions / Re: Law School Score? What does this mean?
« on: January 03, 2007, 01:30:38 PM »
What is the importance of index score?  Is there a list of the ranges of index scores accepted at various schools?

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Law School Admissions / Re: Retake LSAT ??
« on: January 03, 2007, 01:25:45 PM »
what was your first score?

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