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Welcome to the one clear cut advantage of FSU. :)

What clear-cut advantage are you referring to?  :)

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Transferring / Re: Is transfering worth it?
« on: July 14, 2009, 10:43:40 AM »
I would transfer.  Although I agree that teaching from either school would probably be difficult, obtaining a judicial clerkship would be a lot easier.  http://law.nd.edu/careers/judicial-clerkships  ND had 3 SCOTUS clerks in the last 8 years and no offense, I doubt your T3 has the same stats.  Good luck deciding and congrats on the acceptance.

While those stats are impressive for ND, don't judges/justices look at GPA?  Getting a good GPA at ND will be difficult, even for someone with a great GPA from a T3 school, with all due respect.

But getting a clerkship at a T3 is tough, especially depending on location.  I honestly don't know what to tell the OP....

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and what exactly is it worth??  (grades-wise)

as for this year, i'm hella pumped to get started.  i've got the next four weeks laid out to really prepare me to get a running start come the first week of school.  i'm trying to pace my excitement and anxiousness so that i don't wear myself out with it a month before class starts. 

overall though, i cannot wait for school to start.

I am very lucky to be in the top 5% at my school. However, I know others who do very well and their study habits are much different than mine.  A person must find the studying habits that are best for him/her.   

And you're right--don't wear yourself out.  Law school is a marathon, not a sprint.  Slow but steady wins the race.   :)

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The key to 1L is hard work, same as anything else in life. As mentioned above, the concepts really aren't hard, except MAYBE for a few things in Contracts and Constitutional law depending on your background. The stressfulness is almost entirely decided internally. If you are a naturally stressed person or someone who is always looking over to see what the other guy is doing, you will find law school very stressful. If you are naturally relaxed or have ways to relieve stress effectively, law school may actually be fun and rewarding (as I found it to be).

There is going to be a lot of reading which will require a lot of time. If you struggle with focus on one topic, don't worry, there will be plenty to read for each class almost every night. Generally, I found the formula pretty simple. Read everything before you go to class. Take detailed notes on your reading. Go to class. Take abridged notes in class focusing on things that the professor emphasizes. After class, review your notes in the areas that the professor seemed to pay most attention to as well as any areas you still don't fully understand.

If you are able to dedicate yourself to this process for the better part of 6 days a week, you will be more than fine.

My studying methods were very similar to yours.  I recommend your approach, for what it's worth!

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Credited. And the best and most important advice, and the part that many law students seem to miss (even some posters on here who are law students) is the thinking like a lawyer does not stop at the end of your exams. Itís a skill you have to learn AND practice every day. Itís a skill you have to practice on your own outside of school. If the only time your thinking like a lawyer is when your reading a hypo, youíre not thinking like a lawyer. If the only time your using your logical skills is on exams, your missing the whole point of what law school is supposed to teach you but is not written in any book: changing the way you think about issues.

Best thing you can do to prepare for that is stop having black and white opinions on anything, now. From now on critically think about decisions and views you hold in your life. About arguments you make on these message boards. Go beyond your surface views of any issue and THINK about the pros and cons, how you would argue against what you truly believe, what holes are in your thinking. Practice this everyday throughout law school. It matters not if your opinion changes, only that you learn and practice THINKING about if your opinion could change and what it would take proof wise for you to get there.

This is thinking like a lawyer. Far too many law students think the only time youíre supposed to critically analyze things is when a hypo is in front of you, in everyday life they forget what they are being taught, they never really get it. You have to be able to see the issue without the issue being placed in front of you. In practice it wonít be a nice hypo for you to answer. So your critical thinking needs to be fine tuned almost to second nature by the time you graduate. You need to know, almost instinctively when an issue pops up without having anyone else point out its an issue for you. That only comes from taking the skills you learn about thinking beyond the classroom and applying them to everyday things. Then you start to see the hidden issues all around you. Then youíre thinking like a lawyer.


This is right-on.  It amazes me how many fellow students don't realize that the world isn't black-and-white--and when I question their views they become extremely defensive and won't concede anything!

While I had this perspective even before law school, law school accentuates it in ways that few other experiences can. 

Also, I'd like to add that every law student should try to do at least some practical experience such a clinic, where they're working very close to clients.  THEN you see that the human side of lawyering is also very important! 

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No, I'm not worried about that.  I'm worried it's going to be as difficult as people say.  I'm worried that the professors will be vicious, the reading will be incredibly difficult to comprehend, and I just plain old won't get it.  I've been reading Law School Confidential and I've heard all the horror stories.  It's especially because I want to do well in my first year.

The material really isn't too difficult.  I can't stress this enough.  The hardest part is thinking like a lawyer, writing like a lawyer, and handling the vast amount of information thrown at you in just a few months. 

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Meta Discussion / Re: The Senate Floor: Debate the Ban Process Here
« on: July 13, 2009, 03:57:24 AM »
Masterful.  I continue to be impressed by this shtick. 

Yeah, I think that this *has* to be schtick (or at least I hope so). 

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I would be worried if you weren't somewhat anxious about starting law school, but don't be terrified.  It's really not as bad as it seems.

Now, if you're terrified that you're not going to like your career path, however, then that's a different story!  :D

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If you are concerned about portability, retake the LSAT and reapply, try to get into a national school.

Exactly.

With the money you're saving on tuition, OP, you could very well take out loans to live in another city to work during the summer.  Many people at UF do this. 


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