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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: From T4 to T1 or T2
« on: July 20, 2009, 05:52:25 PM »
I've met a few people at my school who have done this.  From what I know, they're doing fine at my school.  If you did well at your previous school, you should also be fine. 

If you must choose between them, I would go to Widener if you plan to look for work in NY/PA. More alums in the area, easier to network for jobs in a location when you are already in a location.

Still, I would highly recommend retaking the LSAT and trying to get into either Temple or one of the Rutgers schools. Go to the school you can get in-state tuition at.

This is 100% credited.

Gruitza, I know you don't want to hear it, but they are right to give you this advice to at least consider.  For many people, either school is a bad choice.  At the very least, I think you should consider if you could do part-time to avoid crushing debt.  There's a reason why lawyers are much more likely to be depressed than many, if not most careers...

I had an attorney once tell me when I was applying to schools that whatever I do, don't go to Widener.  He said the first thing that law firms look at when you apply is where you go to school.  Everything else is secondary. 

Now, I'm not a law school snob like many, and I have nothing against the school.  For some, it's a great opportunity.  For many, though, it is not.  You need to access what types of jobs you want, and whether it is worth going into (I'm assuming) massive debt to practice law. Only you can answer that, but take a look around law firm websites in the Harrisburg area.  You are not going to find many Widener law grads making partner, if I recall correctly when I was researching this. 

I retook the LSAT, did much better, and went to a different school.  If that's a reasonable possibility (e.g., if you knew you could study harder and do better), I'd consider that. 

And, if you don't want to risk being "outted," I'd get rid of where your dad went to school, and where you're considering.  To be honest, I might know your father...that shows you how small of a world it is!  :)

Did I say I was deciding based on the name? no. It's a simple question.

No need to get snappy!  I'm honestly just looking out for your best interests.  I'd venture that most people don't ask that question merely out of curiosity, in my experience. 

Neither name is going to carry you outside of NJ and PA. Deciding based on the name is a terrible idea.

I'd go to the school that's cheaper. Can you get in-state tuition at R-C? If so go there.

Yes, the OP should go to the cheaper school, unless the OP definitely prefers to live in one state over another (or wants to live near Philly; R-C actually might have more pull there than PSU).

From what I remember, Penn State doesn't offer an in-state tuition discount to anyone (even PA residents) and is essentially run like a private law school.

You're correct. 

all other factors aside, just on the name of the school, where would you go?

I really, really hope you're not basing your decision on that!  :)

A friend of mine went to an ACS talk in the Loop, which featured four Federal judges talking about clerkships (7th CoA, ND IL, Magistrate).

The gist of the speech was clerking is risibly competitive, at all levels, at this time.  The Magistrate judge said that he hired someone from a T20, on the Editorial Board of their Law Review.  With previous clerking experience!  And years of BigLaw practice!

Ugh.  That's what I figured.

Do you *need* LR to land a clerkship, especially in this economic climate?  :-\

Don't waste your time with Barry. Stetson is good if you want to practice in Tampa. Don't know much about FIU, but there is already a lot of competition in the South Florida legal market with at least 3 other law schools, plus the competition of UF and FSU law.


Most people seem to like it well enough. About the only people that aren't huge on Tallahassee are, generally speaking, the UF transplants, Orlando people, and Miami people. The UF people seem to think UF is the greatest place on Earth (despite apparently being rejected by UF's law school...) and the Orlando and Miami people seem to not like the comparatively small size of Tallahassee. Jacksonville, Tallahassee, Tampa, and out of state people seem to enjoy the city for various reasons.

Well, I'd guess that most people in any city will attempt to like the city they live in. I know that's true for Gainesville, and any other place in which I live.  Many people from the bigger cities of Florida don't like Gainesville at first, but it "grows" on them, I guess.   

I have no complaints about Tallahassee.  I just don't think it's a "clear-cut" advantage.   :)

Being in the capitol. No need to leave the city (and probably male private part around with subletting and loans) if you can find a job in Tallahassee.

That's fair.  However, I would guess that most people don't want to live in Tallahassee or the panhandle, even at your school!  :)

I think this was a joke that mised its mark

I was thinking that this might be the case. 

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