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General Board / Re: Diversity Question
« on: February 07, 2006, 03:12:10 AM »
In addition to joint and several liability, you can also aggregate claims when there is a “single title or right” and “common and undivided interest”.

or stemming from a common nucleus of operative fact. Then you can aggregate the claims.

Or something like that. I'm looking at the screen of the girl in front of me and her hair is covering up the rest.

Studying and Exam Taking / Re: Advice on Study Aids/Hornbooks! PLease!
« on: February 06, 2006, 10:34:36 PM »
Someone mentioned it for Property, but I second.

Sprankling's Understanding Property Law from Lexis.

But have you tried some of the texts from Emanuel? I like hsi outlines and the Crunchtime series is pretty good.

To O.P.
If it makes you feel any better, it seems like most 1Ls feel the same way. Everybody I've talked to has had problems getting motivated. It's like they're not fully recovered from last semester and are still emotionally drained.

This is completely true. I had dinner with one of the top students in my section (and probably the whole class) tonight and I was shocked to hear her say basically what the previous post stated. She said that she already feels exhausted and it is only Monday night.

I rallied this afternoon, but I'm struggling to get through my reading for tomorrow.

Personally, I think it is because none of the professors are easing us into it anymore. As soon as we got back from winter break, it has been full speed ahead. We're expected to know what to do, do they spend less time with the kid gloves.

Hamline / Re: Just received an acceptance offer
« on: February 06, 2006, 10:02:01 PM »
I'll try to answer your questions, with the caveat that as with any opinion, your mileage may vary.

The four law schools in the Twin Cities seem to have their own little niche.

the U of M tends to the theoretical, and analysis. very diverse seeming. smart kids. 

William Mitchell tends to focus on practical skills. nice campus in a great neighborhood. Prety cool students from the few I have met.

St. Thomas. Just received their provisional ABA accreditation. downtown MPLS law school. NICE facilities. Everything new. Everything shiny. Supposedly focued on a rational, and ethical, faith-based legal education. They seem very nice.
Then there is Hamline.

Good amount of foreign lawyers here for their LLMs.
Public Policy/Service orientation. tons of ADR events, speakers, activities, classes.
Supposedly well known in D.C. due to the NGO work many of the profs seem to be doing over the summer and winter breaks.   

Many excellent professors. The student body seems to be very happy with their choice. There is often a friendly vibe in the school.
Admissions seems to try and create a good fit. They seem to really look for people with well-rounded backgrounds.

Each of the 4 sections seems to have their own personality. Although this may also be the case in all law schools 1L classes.

Grading unfortunately seems pretty harsh. They are proud of the fact that they do not grade inflate. The students are mildly competitive but not cutthroat. One professor is legendary for not having given an A in like 10 years.

Female students in the law school and the undergrad outnumber the males. about 70-30 undergrad, and 60-40 law school.

The undergrad is known apparently for being very very liberal. Which may or may not be a good thing depending on your taste.

The law school tends toward the liberal, but there are many conservatives, and a few Gulf/Afghanistan vets that have returned to school and have gotten some positive attention. Mostly people saying thank you, etc.

Our wireless network still has some bugs to be worked out. 
The gym is tiny, but it is a D3 no athletic scholarship school.

The law school endowment has been increased by the new University president, and consequently there has been more scholarship money available.

Hope this helps. I go there and it is hard to be objective. So take my positivity at the school with a grain of salt.

Good luck.


First, wow! That is one of the best short answer explanations of Filipinos in America I have ever read. You lay out perfectly why it’s virtually impossible for anyone to mark anything as a sole race. Especially in the case of the Philippine Islands, who were raped and pillaged by the many waves of europeons and others. There is no pure blood for sure.

What I wanted to accomplish here was not to gain an advantage with AA. Anyone who has attended a UC knows that the Asian ethnic group has more than filled our quota. It concerns me though because it seems so hypocritical to welcome diversity, but then to define diversity solely as what can be seen on the skin. If anything the varying skin color of Filipino’s is a testament to our struggle and diversity. I have had so many people just message me and say “just mark white”. I don’t think I am do this, and feel honest about it. My heritage colors so many of aspects of my personal life. From political opinions on slavery, colonialism, globalization, women’s rights, and the suffering of the poor, to Food preferences like midnight cravings for pancit or adobo. Don’t get me wrong, I hate nationalism in all it’s form, I think it’s a pox on human progress, but that is not what heritage is for me. I am proud of my great-grandfather, and grandfather, and I feel like just marking “white” would be dismissing where they came from, and how I was able to be here. Thanks for all the advise guys. I think I will file a “diversity addendum”. Do you think I should specifically state in it, along with the above discussion, that I do not expect to gain any advantage for AA, or should I just explain why I mark Filipino, and leave it at that?


I wouldn't mention that that you are not seeking admission based on AA. The individual schools that you apply to will decide that based on the class that they are putting together. Some schools will ding you for marking Asian, some school look for it to broaden the class. It is in every law student's best interest to have as diverse a class in school as possible, if only to be better able to serve after graduation.

But do explain the discrepancy between your appearance, and why you marked Filipino on your application.  If you can, if the application allows it, mark OTHER and then write in Filipino. It would draw attention to your diversity statement. I would even add that because of your background, you will be able to serve in a bridging cultures role that will be ever increasing in a legal world that is more, and more focused on globalization, internationalization, and interdependecy. 

Asian-American groups that have historically done well in placing people for law school are basically those of Chinese and Japanese ancestry. Filipinos, Laotians, Hmong, Vietnamese, Thais, Indians, Pakistanis, Koreans, Malays,and Indonesians tend not to have huge representative numbers in law schools. As these cultures have an increasing say in America, and as each generation goes from being "immigrants" to "native born" then you will see the numbers increase.

Remember that the European immigrants have had a different immigration history. When the Italians and Irish (for example) first arrived in the early 20th Cent. they were also discriminated against. But with time they have become part of the fabirc of American society. Granted, their fortuitous skin color has helped them assimilate more quickly, their immigrant stories are now part of American legend. This will also happen with Asian ethnic groups. So long as the established descendents of those earlier immigration waves are able to adjust, adapt, and allow newer immigration to write their own American legends.

Hey Clone, I'm not surprised. I dated a Filipino girl who had freckles, and her mom had natural red hair thanks to her German ancestry.  I have relatives whose ancestry is Basque - Filipino and they are also physically European looking. My aunt in Madrid looks completely Iberian. My dad used to be confused for Chinese, or Japanese. My mom looks Latin, and since she speaks Spanish, people assume that she is Mexican. My younger brothers either look Mexican, Spanish, or Samoan. I get confused for Mexican, First Nations, and when I played rugby a Pacific Islander (Tongan or small Samoan...very flattering for a rugby player!  ;D). W

Thanks Clone. I appreciate it, but I'm already in at the program that I want. *whew  ;)

Camus: Here are the links that discuss that similar issue to yours. Other interested people should also read the links. There was some dodgy scary stuff going around about this issue not to long ago. This was a big discussion topic during the end of the last application cycle. It sounds like many of you are part of the early birds for the upcoming cycle so this may be new and pertinent.

There was some unethical behavior regarding cross-referencing your LSD name and account with your law school numbers account. As a result BigTex was denied admission to (BigLawSchool)because an AdCom at another school informed (BigLawSchool) about racial discrepancy issues similar to Camus'...,27879.0.html,27972.0.html,28007.0.html,28170.0.html - Javert's response - Response from (BigLawSchool)

As a result of all this, I have removed any information that could be used to identify me to any AdCom. I have also nuked my LawSchoolNumbers info, and deleted any inflammatory postings.

Paranoid... maybe.
Good reason for paranoia...perhaps.
Is this public internet forum secure? ... No, assume anything you say can be used against you in the court of public opinion and apparently in the Admission Commitees

Good Luck.

General Off-Topic Board / Interning before Law School?
« on: May 19, 2005, 07:43:31 PM »
Anyone interning/working in a law related position before your 1L year?
Impresssions? Kind of firm? And do you think it will help you for next year's 1L job hunt?

I'm at a private firm right now, and I am surprised at the diversity of work they do, their rates, and some of the heavy hitters that they are in contact with. I met a pro ball player the other day. Pretty cool.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: screw it - im taking it in october
« on: May 17, 2005, 06:43:14 AM »
If you are scoring 170ish now, take the June. If not, how far off are you?
If you spend the next 6 weeks well, and can take an old real test every other day or so, you will be fine. the LSAT is definitely a test that you can get accustomed to. It rewards the diligent.

Spend the summer on getting your information together, reseaching likely schools, getting solid work exp, getting solid recs from profs, and then send out apps the day applications are being accepted by the schools you are interested in.

It's not just numbers, but if you have decent numbers then it can sometimes be a matter of getting in the door early. The application cycles have been getting absolutely brutal and show no sign of changing for the better. At this point, even sending out apps by Dec, can be considered too late.

Good luck

I've read LSC a few times and find it to be useful.
The book from JDJungle was also pretty good.

I'd be interested in any other reviews of other surviving Law school type books.

Also I've been talking to as many lawyers as I can. I've got a number of them among my friends and family. Most of then say not to stress out the summer before 1L. And the most common thing that I have heard is that it is an endurance race, a deliberate mindfuk (in that they do give more work then you can possible do in order to see how you manage time), and a test to see your breaking point.

Are there any books that are focused just on 1L year? It seems that this is the absolute most crucial of the 3 years. Particularly in that Law Review, rankings, jobs, bar, and even transfer options all come from this one 9 month period in our lives.

T minus 3 months till GO time y'all. 

Law School Rankings / Re: 2006 USNEWS Rankings - Here it is
« on: May 17, 2005, 06:07:46 AM »
You rock... people have been asking for that for ages.  I'm not really interested in any of the schools in this category except Suffolk, which I was disappointed to see didn't move up.

I think the T3/T4 distinction doesn't mean that much anyway, though.  To me there are the decent T3/T4, and then the T4 that are truly "TTTT" (I'd say Cooley, Appalachian, maybe Western New England and Roger Williams)

I don't think it's fair to schools like Suffolk, Hamline, William Mitchell, U Baltimore, that they're in the same category as the above.

No prob.

I agree with that...there are many tier 4 schools that I think are much better than other schools in the same tier.  What surprised me was that 2 schools in the 4the tier have bar passage rates of less than 30%!  I think that the regional reps of Suffolk, Hamline, William Mitchell, etc...have excellent regional reps.

Talked to people at William Mitchell and Hamline and asked them to address their views on the USNWR rankings.

The WM lady : "We don't have to worry about that. We place all the people we need to locally, and this has been our focus from the start. If you graduate from here, you will have no problem passing the MN bar and working anywhere in Minnesota and Wisconsin."

The Hamline lady (the person who answered the phone at both places were women):
She laughed and said roughly, "Oh that. We put everything into local reputation and placement. Our focus is also on public interest and in mediation. We have never suffered from the rankings."

recent bar passage rates:
      Total 2003
Hamline             88%
William Mitchell    88%

MN                  90%

Oddly the impression that I got was that U of Minnesota, Hamline, or William Mitchell didn't take the USNWR rankings very seriously. But they did take their local rep in MN and WI very (very) seriously.

Good if you want to stay local, maybe no so great of you want to go national. Which of course could be said about most of the schools outside of the t40.

I'm just sayin' is all.

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