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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Ugh...Worst Score in two months TODAY!!!
« on: November 29, 2006, 01:20:31 AM »
Pkorkis. I am in the opposite situation of you. I suck awfully at games, I'm lucky if I can get 8 or 9 right, but I'm great at LR, sometimes missing only 3-4 total LR questions on the test and only 3-4 RC. If I could ace the games like you I'd be in 170 range. :( Wanna help each other out? When do you take the test?

And geez how did you get so good at games? Is it just natural talent like a knack for it?

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Here's some interesting poll data to look at:

http://www.pollingreport.com/race.htm


 Gallup Poll. N=1,385 adults nationwide (MoE 3), including, with oversamples, 821 non-Hispanic whites (MoE 4), 241 blacks (MoE 7), and 266 Hispanics (MoE   7). Interviewing was June 12-15, 2003, for non-Hispanic whites, and June 12-18, 2003, for blacks and Hispanics.

  "Do you generally favor or oppose affirmative action programs for racial minorities?"
      Favor    Oppose    Unsure       
      %    %    %       
   ALL    49    43    8       
   Non-Hispanic whites    44    49    7       
   Blacks    70    21    9       
   Hispanics    63    28    9

As you can see from this data, African-Americans and Hispanics support AA by 49 and 35 point margins, respectively. Non-Hispanic whites are much more closely divided, with a slight plurality opposed to race-based AA.

BUT, when you change the text of the question being asked to this:


  "Which comes closer to your view about evaluating students for admission into a college or university? Applicants should be admitted solely on the basis of merit, even if that results in few minority students being admitted. OR, An applicant's racial and ethnic background should be considered to help promote diversity on college campuses, even if that means admitting some minority students who otherwise would not be admitted." Options rotated
      Solely
Merit    Race/
Ethnicity,
Too    Unsure       
      %    %    %       
   ALL    69    27    4       
   Non-Hispanic whites    75    22    3       
   Blacks    44    49    7       
   Hispanics    59    36    5       

Surprise, surprise. A slim plurality of blacks support race-based AA in college admissions. Solid majorities of non-Hispanic whites and Hispanics oppose it, with 69% of the overall US population favoring a strict merit admissions policy.

Now this question really puzzled me:

  "If two equally qualified students, one white and one black, applied to a major U.S. college or university, who do you think would have the better chance of being accepted to the college: the white student, the black student  [options rotated]  -- or would they have the same chance?"

 White
Student    Black
Student    Same
Chance    Unsure    
      %    %    %    %    
   ALL    31    29    36    4    
   Non-Hispanic whites    24    34    38    4    
   Blacks    67    5    24    4    
   Hispanics    44    14    38    4

Do sizeable majorities of blacks and hispanics really think that the white person is more likely than the black person to be admitted to an American college if they have equal qualifications? Wow, I'm speechless.

How about this interesting question result?

  "Do you think only a few black people dislike whites, many black people dislike whites, or almost all black people dislike whites?"
      Only a
Few    Many    Almost
All    None
(vol.)    No
Opinion
      %    %    %    %    %
   ALL    52    38    6    1    3
   Non-Hispanic whites    52    39    5    1    3
   Blacks    54    38    5    1    2
   Hispanics    53    31    10    1    5

Apparently 37% of the country(well there's MoE as well) thinks that either many or all blacks dislike whites. 45% of blacks share this opinion.

I'll just toss in another Time poll for good measure:

 Time/CNN  Poll conducted by Harris Interactive. Jan. 15-16, 2003. N=1,010 adults nationwide. MoE   3.1.
                  

.
"Do you approve or disapprove of affirmative action admissions programs at colleges and law schools that give racial preferences to minority applicants?"
      %             
   Approve    39             
   Disapprove    54             
   Not sure    7    

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Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: :)
« on: November 29, 2006, 01:05:33 AM »
I see that Mr Johnson is gone. But in his absence, here's some interesting poll data to look at:

http://www.pollingreport.com/race.htm


 Gallup Poll. N=1,385 adults nationwide (MoE 3), including, with oversamples, 821 non-Hispanic whites (MoE 4), 241 blacks (MoE 7), and 266 Hispanics (MoE   7). Interviewing was June 12-15, 2003, for non-Hispanic whites, and June 12-18, 2003, for blacks and Hispanics.

  "Do you generally favor or oppose affirmative action programs for racial minorities?"
      Favor    Oppose    Unsure       
      %    %    %       
   ALL    49    43    8       
   Non-Hispanic whites    44    49    7       
   Blacks    70    21    9       
   Hispanics    63    28    9

As you can see from this data, African-Americans and Hispanics support AA by 49 and 35 point margins, respectively. Non-Hispanic whites are much more closely divided, with a slight plurality opposed to race-based AA.

BUT, when you change the text of the question being asked to this:

  "Which comes closer to your view about evaluating students for admission into a college or university? Applicants should be admitted solely on the basis of merit, even if that results in few minority students being admitted. OR, An applicant's racial and ethnic background should be considered to help promote diversity on college campuses, even if that means admitting some minority students who otherwise would not be admitted." Options rotated
      Solely
Merit    Race/
Ethnicity,
Too    Unsure       
      %    %    %       
   ALL    69    27    4       
   Non-Hispanic whites    75    22    3       
   Blacks    44    49    7       
   Hispanics    59    36    5       

Surprise, surprise. A slim plurality of blacks support race-based AA in college admissions. Solid majorities of non-Hispanic whites and Hispanics oppose it, with 69% of the overall US population favoring a strict merit admissions policy.

Now this question really puzzled me:

  "If two equally qualified students, one white and one black, applied to a major U.S. college or university, who do you think would have the better chance of being accepted to the college: the white student, the black student  [options rotated]  -- or would they have the same chance?"

 White
Student    Black
Student    Same
Chance    Unsure    
      %    %    %    %    
   ALL    31    29    36    4    
   Non-Hispanic whites    24    34    38    4    
   Blacks    67    5    24    4    
   Hispanics    44    14    38    4

Do sizeable majorities of blacks and hispanics really think that the white person is more likely than the black person to be admitted to an American college if they have equal qualifications? Wow, I'm speechless.

How about this interesting question result?

  "Do you think only a few black people dislike whites, many black people dislike whites, or almost all black people dislike whites?"
      Only a
Few    Many    Almost
All    None
(vol.)    No
Opinion
      %    %    %    %    %
   ALL    52    38    6    1    3
   Non-Hispanic whites    52    39    5    1    3
   Blacks    54    38    5    1    2
   Hispanics    53    31    10    1    5

Apparently 37% of the country(well there's MoE as well) thinks that either many or all blacks dislike whites. 45% of blacks share this opinion.
            

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Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: I have to chuckle at AA
« on: November 28, 2006, 11:40:37 PM »
Simply put,

I objected to Halfie taking offense at my post when he clearly doesn't understand that money can be both a social and economic factor.

I object to your continued existence in my universe, but you don't see me whining about it, do you?

Also, what J said.

Awww halfie. Makes a little appearance not to refute any points, but just to attack. Sorry halfie.

You seriously think you've said anything here that needs and deserves refuting?

Yes, Haffeee. You totally misinterpreted my words and perverted the intentions of my post. You then did not return to explain yourself except to personally attack me. pathetic.

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Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: I have to chuckle at AA
« on: November 28, 2006, 11:16:55 PM »
Simply put,

I objected to Halfie taking offense at my post when he clearly doesn't understand that money can be both a social and economic factor.

I object to your continued existence in my universe, but you don't see me whining about it, do you?

Also, what J said.

Awww halfie. Makes a little appearance not to refute any points, but just to attack. Sorry halfie.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: URM Under Represented Minority
« on: November 28, 2006, 11:16:08 PM »
First of all, Ukraine and Russia are two different countries, just like Canada and US are. But to the op, no you're not a URM. But if you feel you've faced significant challanges in your life, then simply write about them in your personal statement or in your diversity statement.

is having a black great grandfather and being 1/8th black URM?
Now that is a question worth asking.

i asked it on here in another thread and Jwebony said it wouldn't. I think that's BS because 1/8th is the rule for Census right?

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Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: I have to chuckle at AA
« on: November 28, 2006, 10:31:34 PM »





Even if she is dead. But I don't think she is, because we never resolved our argument. If you're going to accuse me of beating a dead horse then you should apologize for being wrong about what I said, and then we can consider it closed. Until then, this isn't done.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: URM Under Represented Minority
« on: November 28, 2006, 10:18:59 PM »
First of all, Ukraine and Russia are two different countries, just like Canada and US are. But to the op, no you're not a URM. But if you feel you've faced significant challanges in your life, then simply write about them in your personal statement or in your diversity statement.

is having a black great grandfather and being 1/8th black URM?

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Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: I have to chuckle at AA
« on: November 28, 2006, 10:18:24 PM »
It's refreshing to see a flame war between two people who aren't me.

I wonder how much real judges get paid. Not counting bribes, I mean.


This is way too lame to be a flame war.


please answer the points in my previous posts.

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I believe that the US Census defines a minority as one that is being at least 1/8th of that race.  For example, a person is considered black even if he/she has only one great-grandfather that was black.  Even if the rest of his family was of Swedish origin, this person could declare minority status.  I think that the same criteria could be utilized for LS admission purposes.

YES! One great grandfather!

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