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Black Law Students / Re: Post Your Interesting News Articles Here
« on: January 18, 2008, 08:40:41 PM »
Unbelievable :o

Can someone explain the things that would have been in jeopardy if Mr. Smith rejected the initial advice. Would exposing the coaching jeopardize the defendants entire case?  Without the coached witness, wouldn't the execution sentence been less likely (The article stated that determining the actual killer was a problem)? 

Thanks A. for the article.  It's a good one.

Growing differences in male and female LSAT performance have troubling implications for gender diversity in law schools

Colleen Honigsberg

Imagine paying top dollar, sacrificing your personal life and compounding years of stress into mere months, all in pursuit of a goal you later decide to give up.

That's the situation many women face when applying to law school. After spending incredible amounts of time, money and effort to prepare for the Law School Admission Test (LSAT), they receive scores they feel are too low to get into the schools they want.

LSAT scores are often the most important aspect of a law school application, but people seem oblivious to the fact that men receive significantly higher LSAT scores than women.

Numerous news articles have bemoaned the decline of the number of women enrolling in law school over the past five years, blaming the dwindling number of female attendees on a slew of factors. Most blame a corporate legal culture that restricts family and personal time.

Yet these articles discount one critical fact: the percentage of women taking the LSAT during this same period has remained roughly static, and is higher than the percentage of women in law school. In 2005-2006, 49.08 percent of people taking the LSAT were female, while this year, law school is only 46.9 percent female.

The issue is clearly not that women are disinterested in law school, but that some post-exam event leads women to reconsider their original goals.

For many women, that event might be the receipt of their LSAT score.

Since my father is a law professor at the University of San Francisco, I asked him for some LSAT test data that he received from the school's admissions office.

Upon analyzing the data from the Law School Admissions Council for 2001-2006, I found the percentage of women who score in the top percentile of test takers - the select students scoring 175 or above - is roughly a third of a percent.

Around three-fourths of a percent of males scored in the same category. Using this measure, women finally outpace men in scores below 150 - a score lower than at least 75 percent of those admitted to each Tier 1 and 2 school.

If there were no gender differences, we would expect to see the same percentage of men and women landing in each bracket.

As much as it offended my feminist sensibilities, I stopped to consider whether men are better applicants than women and deserve higher scores. The LSAT is supposed to predict first-year grades in law school, so if the LSAT is an accurate predictor, we would see men obtaining higher GPAs than women in law school.

While I couldn't obtain law school GPAs, I could find undergraduate ones. When comparing test-takers' LSAT scores and undergraduate GPAs, I found that women had higher GPAs for each of the past five years.

Interestingly, while male and female GPAs both increased over the past five years, LSAT scores did not. The mean male LSAT score increased from 152.7 to 154, while the mean female LSAT score only increased from 151.1 to 151.5, making the differences greater in recent years.

I don't believe the correlation between greater gender differences and decreasing female enrollment is pure coincidence. I recently took the LSAT, and if my score hadn't met my expectations, I wouldn't have applied to law school. And I don't think I'm unusual.

With the media ignoring gender differences in the LSAT, women assume their individual performance - and not the system - is the problem.

The problem does not end with women deciding not to apply to law school. Possibly due to lower LSAT scores, they are also being admitted in lower percentages.

In 2006, which showed a difference in mean LSAT scores of 2.5 points, the number of women admitted decreased by 1.7 percent, while the number of men increased by 1.1 percent. This year had the greatest disparity of the years I analyzed.

Gender differences alone may not account for the decline of women enrolling in law school, but it is a factor that needs studying.

Based on my limited knowledge of neurological differences between men and women, my guess is that the LSAT emphasizes skills where men tend to have a natural advantage, such as certain spatial tasks, and deemphasizes skills where women tend to have stronger ability, such as short-term memory.

However, not being any sort of an expert in this field, I leave these differences to the actual experts to investigate and correct.

Otherwise, the number of women in law school will likely continue to decline, thus harming the diversity that is believed by the academy to be necessary for a "fair and balanced" legal education.

Colleen Honigsberg is an economic consultant in Washington, D.C. and former editorial page editor of The Daily Bruin.

Black Law Students / Re: Post Your Interesting News Articles Here
« on: January 17, 2008, 11:00:28 AM »
It is very disheartening to learn that the notes belted by these entertainers were compromised by steriods.  Right..  WT?????

Black Celebrity Steroid Scandal: 50, Mary J., Perry Named In Probe

Posted Jan 14th 2008 10:10AM by Karu F. Daniels
Filed under: Entertainment Newswire
By Karu F. Daniels,

Disgraced Olympian Marion Jones and baseball record breaker Barry Bonds just weren't enough.

Now, there are "reports" that hip-hop superstars 50 Cent, Wyclef Jean, Timbaland and Mary J. Blige are involved in a steroid scandal.

And box-office shattering filmmaker Tyler Perry, too.

Crediting "unidentified sources," Albany, New York's The Times Union newspaper alleged that the above-mentioned black notables "may have received or used performance-enhancing drugs."

Read explosive story here.A flak for Blige, who just turned 37-years-old on Jan. 11, dismissed the accusation, stating that the six-time Grammy Award winner "has never taken any performance-enhancing illegal steroids."

"Illegal steroids"? Hmmm.

Ken Sunshine, a rep for Tyler, declined to comment to the Associated Press. However, the fair-haired colored public relations practitioner was a key component on the CNN special, 'Chasing Angelina,' which chronicled the roles publicist play in defending the "honor" of celebrities.

There has been no word from 50 Cent's camp at press-time. Legally known as Curtis Jackson, the thug rap icon is, however, the only celebrity named in the report that has a perfectly designed muscular physique.

Steroids or no steroids, I'm not clear what the scandal is here. It's not like the aforementioned celebrities are winning honors, accolades, medals and honors for their professional accomplishments.

I am an avid believer that where there's smoke, there's fire – especially in 50's case, plagiarizing and lip-synching would be a a greater offense, i.e. a scandal.

Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: Hi...Newbie with intro
« on: January 16, 2008, 03:37:30 PM »
Faith08, once you've registered with LSDAS you will need to submit all transcripts from every college/university that you have attended.  This may lower your degree GPA and if it does, your LSAT score will make a significant difference.  Unfortunately, most schools do not consider the Masters GPA.  While many schools will profess to look at the whole applicant, they often only weigh the CGPA and LSAT score.  With all that being said, don't rush your LSAT.  If you're considering next cycle, take your time in prepping and go for June '08.  This board is full of helpful information and people are always willing to share.

I have read many articles about proposed changes to the traditional law school curriculum.  Most state, law students are not prepared and suggest more practical real-time experience.  (I believe Drexel has a program that rotates between class and law offices.)  The article below wasn't written by a law student, just melodramatic law student hopeful. 

For those who are attending, what is your opinion about your experience thus far.  And for those who have finished and passed the bar, do you think your education has prepared you for practice, if not, what do you think should change? 

It is called law school, not lawyer school

By Evan Mintz | Thresher Editorial Staff

Last December, Stanford Law School held a gathering of deans from 10 law schools that are in the process of revamping their educational programs — one of many meetings springing up in attempts to revamp legal education. The apparent problem is that law school students do not graduate with the practical skills not necessary to be practicing lawyers. And as a second semester senior desperately — oh Jeebus desperately — applying to law school, I cannot help but stand athwart this plan, yelling “stop.”

Pardon me if I sound like that annoying guy at a cocktail party, but the last thing we need is more lawyers. Well, that is not entirely accurate. The last thing we need is law schools that view their charge as purely vocational. When people graduate from law school, they should not view themselves as merely lawyers, but people of law who understand the massive fabric that holds together our society.

Every single aspect of our lives, from the water we drink to the air we breathe to the coitus we make, is regulated to some degree by our laws. This is not just the result of some so-called nanny state gone amok. Rather, part of a civilized society is creating a system through which citizens can appeal any and every issue without having to resort to violence — though at times Antonin Scalia’s opinions are as subtle as a lead pipe to a skull.

Like it or not, we do not ride atop the social Leviathan, but live inside it, completely surrounded. And like a fish in water, people are barely aware of the ocean of legality in which we swim. Law school should teach people to navigate this ocean, not just as sailors who ride the currents to ferry clients, but as oceanographers who know the mystery of the depths, constantly striving to understand the why and how.

A successful Juris Doctor should turn an average citizen into a lawyerly Neo who can see the code of our societal matrix, understanding the true meaning of every obscure clause and, yes, being able to manipulate it as such.

Or, to use a metaphor I find much more appealing, law schools should be graduating judicial Jedi who can feel and use the law around us. After all, the law is my ally and a powerful ally it is. Society creates it, makes it grow. Its statutes surround us and bind us. Legal beings are we, not some sort of crude warriors. You must feel the law around you, everywhere.

Plus, wouldn’t it be awesome if gavels made lightsaber noises? But I digress.

However, people are offering an alternative. In The Chronicle of Higher Education Review, Stephen Joel Trachtenberg, president emeritus and university professor at George Washington University Law School, commented he believes that law schools should create a less rigorous master’s degree that he jokingly called ABB: All but bar. This path would be for people who want to learn about the law but not necessarily become practicing lawyers. I must admit this idea leaves me somewhat distressed.

Trachtenberg’s plan would essentially split law education between legal scientists and engineers, but with the differences all the more obvious. Learning law without any direct experience is like learning chemistry without a lab. Law students, especially those who do not just want a vocational experience, need to understand law in all its aspects, from its philosophical underpinnings to its most contemporary applications.

In the end, our lives are ones of laws and the unexamined life is not worth living. If law schools become more vocational, the job of lawyer will become a job not worth attaining. Of course, there is another reason people go to law school. Take a $120,000 paycheck for a first year lawyer at Vinson and Elkins, please.

Evan Mintz is a Hanszen College senior and executive editor.

Black Law Students / Re: Post Your Interesting News Articles Here
« on: January 09, 2008, 04:23:48 PM »
Should the former beauty queen be allowed 2 return 2 school.  As of date, she is only accused, not convicted.

Beauty Queen Law Student Wants to Go Back to Class Following Arrest for Kidnapping

January 8, 2008

By Arthur H. Rotstein
The Associated Press

TUCSON, Arizona -- A law school student and former beauty queen accused of kidnapping, biting and threatening a former boyfriend with a gun wants to continue her studies at the University of Arizona, which has barred her from campus.

Kumari Fulbright, 25, who is free on $50,000 (euro33,960) bail, met with university officials on Monday. The second-year law student has been placed on interim suspension by the dean of students' office, spokesman Johnny Cruz said.

Fulbright wants to further her legal education, "and she's making every effort to continue with that and to put the events of December in perspective," said attorney Marc Beginin. He practices law outside Arizona and said he still needs court approval to act as co-counsel for 25-year-old Fulbright.

"Law school is the most important thing to her, and she would not do anything to jeopardize that," said Beginin, who also met with school officials.

Cruz said that the suspension has no end date, but that her status could change between now and the resumption of classes Jan. 14.

Authorities have accused Fulbright of kidnapping, holding and torturing an ex-boyfriend at gunpoint and knifepoint with the help of three other men, including an earlier boyfriend.

"If she's guilty of anything, it's making poor choices in men," Beginin said.

Fulbright, who competed for the Miss Arizona title in 2005 and 2006, recently completed a semester-long unpaid stint clerking for a federal judge. She also poses in a 2008 calendar that features women holding guns.

Fulbright and Larry Hammond were indicted last month by a Pima County grand jury on charges of kidnapping, aggravated robbery, armed robbery and aggravated assault. Hammond remained in jail on Monday.

Tucson police also issued arrest warrants in December for Fulbright's previous boyfriend, Robert Ergonis, 44, and his brother, Michael Ergonis, 46, on similar charges. Police were still searching for the brothers.

The alleged victim told an investigator that Fulbright accused him of stealing her jewelry and that she physically abused him, according to a Tucson police report released in response to an open records request.

Black Law Students / Re: Post Your Interesting News Articles Here
« on: January 09, 2008, 04:20:11 PM »
Wow LadyKD, my thoughts too.  Alternative schools did exist -- back in the day.  Youth pregnancy was very shunned.  I remember a girl athlete was pregnant and removed from all school activities.  But you know what happens now, SUITS...  Yep, that's it.  File a suit, claim discrimination and there you have it.  Pregnant girls at regular schools.

Ms P., sex education...  well it helps but the problem is most People, teens or adults, don't think it will happen to them.  They've had the training, they've seen the statistics, however, it doesn't apply 2 them.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT provides real-world skill!
« on: January 08, 2008, 05:20:05 PM »
Although 'Never' is extreme, I'll bite and select 'b'.

What did you decide?  Did you attend the CLEO Program last summer?

ME, ME...  PM

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