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Where should I go next fall? / Re: anyone like their tier 4 school?
« on: May 26, 2007, 06:27:53 AM »
My daughter goes to a T4 and completely loves it.

She could have had her pick of schools but did not want to move from the area. Boyfriend lives in that area and wants to practice in that area.

She is on 50% scholarship. Has done very well (3.69) and has a summer job that equates to a six figure+ salary.


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"Cons - Building is old and run down. Classrooms are old. Some students bicker and say that there is not enough selection in which to select courses. Also, I've heard that there are not enough internet connections. Another con is that the school is kind of in a bad area. Not a dangerous area, but a poverty stricken area."

I disagree with some of the above.  My daughter goes to St Marys. I was in San Antonio about a month ago for their talent show and attended one of her classes with her (Family Law).  The building was as good as any major college.  The class had about 100 students - all with internet connections. Everyone, well almost everyone, had laptops out and were taking notes. A few were playing on the internet and not paying attention.

Don't believe you cannot get a job with a big firm from a T4.
She has summer positions with 2 of SA largest firms with a salary that makes me jealous.  However, she has worked her butt off for 2 years and the end is in sight.

It's jusy my opinion but the T1-T4 rankings are a joke.
Most highly ranked schools have been around for a 100 years and everyone knows them or everyone knows them because they have a great sports program that's in the news everyday (it called advertising).  Ask the man on the street specific questions about UT's law school and then ask him about their football team.  Guess which one he knows more about.

 


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Law School Applications / Re: Deferred
« on: November 28, 2006, 05:17:41 PM »
Just as an FYI.

2 years ago my daughter did EA/ED at UT.  They deferred her to regular admission.  She did not hear from them again until March - on the wait list.  She called the admin office - they had not taken anyone from the wait list for the past 3 years.

3.76/164/InState - with these numbers, 2 years ago, her chances were 50/50 of being accepted.  Hopefully things have changed for the better in the past 2 years.

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Law School Applications / Re: Bargaining for scholarships
« on: November 19, 2006, 08:57:26 AM »
One other note.  The reason I prefer a formal letter over e-mail is that the "older" generation still perfers the "formal" setting.  Things like being called Mr/Mrs, formal letters, hand written thank-you-notes, etc, etc.

The "younger" generation grew up with e-mail so it tends to be more acceptable to them but remember who your target is.

Who do you think will be making that decision - a committee of 20 year olds or a committee of 40-60 year olds.  Your job is to impress them so you stand out over the others. Plan your strategy accordingly.

The little things DO matter.


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Law School Applications / Re: Bargaining for scholarships
« on: November 19, 2006, 08:43:34 AM »
Write a formal letter of request and follow up with e-mail and/or phone call.  If you were making the decison and you had 2 request of equal value, who would you choose - the one who wrote the letter or the one who e-mailed.

Yearrrrs ago when my daughter was in collete she was offered a scholarship by school x (but not top $$).
After several discussion with the financial aid officer (fao) - who kept telling me NO I wrote a letter to the President of the University laying out my case.
Two weeks later the fao called me and said he had been instructed to offer another 10,000 over 4 years.

When he asked me why she deserved more that other equally qualified applicants I replied, "I asked, they didn't".
You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

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Law School Applications / Re: Financial Aid
« on: November 19, 2006, 08:26:14 AM »
Check their web-sites.  It usually states if you need to apply or if you are autpmatically considered when you apply.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: what if I WANT to go to a T3/T4....
« on: November 11, 2006, 07:24:17 AM »
There is absolutely nothing wrong with going to a T3/T4.
As many people have already stated - what is it you want?

If you want big/big law, or to move about the country or make the big/big bucks then it's a mistake. 

If you want to practice in the area where the school is then it's not a mistake.

Just as an example:
2 years ago my daughter applied to UT Austin (her only school) for ea/ed.  They deferred her to spring and then put her on the wait list (3.8/164).  She called and they had not taken anyone off the list for 3 years.  She applied to a T4 down the road - 30 days late.  They offered her a full scholarship (she loves it there).  She now has at least 4 job offers (2nd yr summer associate) from 1,500 to 2,600 a week.

The whole reason she applied to to UT only and then the T4 was that she want to practice in Austin, Tx only.  The T4 has a very good regional reputation withon the state.


Yes, if you go to a T1 you can brag more and have more options but as I stated in the beginning - "What is it you want to do and where do you want to do it."

I've hired a few people in my career.  If I'm hiring a fresh graduate - where you went to school plays a small part. After 3-5 years it's - what you know not where you went.


PS: When poeple talk about how important your first year grades are they are not kidding.  You interview for 2nd year summer the beginning of your 2nd year.  All they have to go on is 1st year grades, 1st year moot court competition and law review acceptance. 

You cannot get an OCI unless you are in the top 25% at her school and most want top 10%.

She though it kinda funny that during all her interviews that (mostly) they wanted to talk about was her acting and dance history.


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Law School Applications / Re: University of Texas - hold
« on: November 11, 2006, 06:39:11 AM »
FYI - they get 6,000 application for about 500 openings.

My daughter (in-state, native, 3.8/164) did ea/ed two years ago and they deferred her to the regular application pool.  She was notified in early march that she was on the waitlist.  She called.  They had not taken anyone from the waitlist for the past 3 years. 

One site has a predictor and at 3/8/164 your chances are 50/50.

She went to a T4 down the road (full scholarship the first year) and now has at least 4 offers for next summer at between 1,500 to 2,600 a week.

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