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News Discussion / Re: RI loses democracy
« on: January 30, 2012, 05:08:44 PM »
Yes. Voter ID laws disproportionately affect minorities, the elderly and college students. Coincidentally, all blocs of Democratic voters. Placing barriers to voting--just like poll taxes and literacy tests--are historically a means to limit the  number of people who aren't going to vote for "your guy." Same plays from the same play book.

Also: it's a non-solution looking for a problem.

How? By requiring photo ID?

they seem want keep people from voting.

Hey people, I'm a 2L at Willamette.  Just putting it out there--I'm available to answer any questions (I wish I would have asked a few before I came here).

What are some of the questions you wish you had asked before you went there?

General Board / Re: Forum for discussion of law, cases, etc.
« on: January 13, 2012, 02:52:17 AM »
This one works.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT TUTORS (TORONTO)
« on: December 29, 2011, 05:25:56 PM »
I think it's alright, since you're looking for a tutor in your area. That rule is more for tutors offering their services and using this board as a way to post their contact info. Usually over, and over, and over again. If you have any specific questions, feel free to post them here, and you'll likely find the help you need.

« on: December 29, 2011, 12:04:47 PM »
How do I stop getting notifications every time someone posts in this thread?

The "UNNOTIFY" button at the lower right.

Meta Discussion / Re: Flash/Youtube Tags
« on: December 26, 2011, 02:29:42 AM »
The board won't embed video. Just post the link and a summary of the content.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Securities Law
« on: December 24, 2011, 05:09:36 PM »
So you guys are saying that one shouldn't go to law school unless they have top grades from the top schools, much less even begin thinking about getting a job as a lawyer. Furthermore the job will tear your life apart, and you will either love it or hate it. To be honest, it really does sound like hyperbole. Or it might be an anti-competitive conspiracy to lessen the supply of lawyers?   ;)

Just out of curiosity, what experience(s) and credentials do you guys have to come to a conclusion like this?

At least "pretty good" grades from top schools, yeah. At least the T14 for a good job, like the one you're after. But with your numbers, that's not what you're going to get. If you're really going to do this, for you, it's just trying to get in and, later, get a job. Any job. If I were in your position, I'd try to get a job as an investment banker. If you're pissed off about what's happened in finance and investment in recent years, you can always be an insider for DoJ. They've had a hell of a time getting FBI agents on the inside. Even harder of a time than they've had getting people inside the mafia. So that's one route. But honestly, law isn't going to happen for you, unless you take the LSAT again and really kill it. I mean like over 170. It isn't a conspiracy to keep people out of law school. Some people I fully recommend going to law school, if they fit a certain profile. I'm honestly speaking to you in your best interests.

My credentials? Other than being where you are now, being through with law school, and seeing all of the horrors that law school and the practice of law can unleash on myself and the many friends I have who are law students and lawyers, having seen lives crumble and relationships fail as a result of it? I've been here for years. I've seen class after class come through this site. I've seen their hopes while studying for the LSAT shattered. I've seen rejections from favored schools, and I've also seen some massive successes with friends attending top schools. I've seen dreams come true at graduation, and I've seen students change their plans and priorities in the middle of 1L or even 2L. Really, I've seen it all. I've seen everything law school and the practice of law has to offer, and I really don't think it has much to offer you. You have many better options.

edit: If you don't want to take my word for it, find someone who's doing what you want to do and discuss it with them. I'm sure their assessment will be fairly close to ours. Hell, for that matter, find anyone who recently graduated from a school you would get into with your scores, and they'll tell you what's up.

Non-Traditional Students / Re: Can I pursue LLM without an LLB/JD
« on: December 24, 2011, 12:33:52 PM »
There are several LLM programs in the UK that can be studied without an LLB and do not lead to the practice of law, but none I know of in the US without a JD. Generally, a law school in the US will offer the option of a Master of Legal Studies (MLS) for people who want to study law, but not practice it.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Securities Law
« on: December 24, 2011, 03:53:19 AM »
I need work that is challenging, requires intellectual curiosity, and critical thinking.

That describes a lot of jobs, including legal practice, but doesn't explain why you want to be a lawyer.

Sometimes I watch C-SPAN and analyze arguments. What led to my interest in securities law (among other things) was the Goldman Sachs hearings, the Rajaratnam insider trading, WaMu Bankruptcy case, and Dodd-Frank legislation. I've taken classes in college such as Philosophy, Analyzing Evidence, and a basic law class. It feels natural to me.

It's better than the "I watch Law & Order and think I can do that" statement, but not by much. It's pretty much the equivalent of wanting to go to culinary school because you make a damned good grilled cheese. That basic law class you took? It's nothing like actual law classes, and an interest in the law at the level you describe won't even get you through 1L. You haven't convinced me. You know what makes a successful legal career? Pick one end of the emotional spectrum: love or hate. On one side, you can love what lawyers do every day, so much more than anything else in your life that you barely even notice them slipping away while you work. A recent discussion I had included, "[Wife] left me on Tuesday. I billed 14 hours on Wednesday." Keep that in mind. On the other side, you can hate something that pisses you off so much and is so pervasive that it can fuel you through years of tearing apart everything you love. That's not hyperbole. Just look at addiction, divorce and suicide rates for lawyers. Going to a lower-tier school will only aggravate that, because your chances at employment are so much lower.

As far as other careers - IT is like a trade job; after 1 year working at a part time IT desk I felt like I was at the same level as my superiors. Finance is more difficult for now at least with many layoffs and uncertainty on Wall Street.

I hate to break it to you, but the law is a trade job, too. The purpose of law school isn't to train you to be a lawyer; it's just to teach you how to read the law, memorize and spot fact patterns, and pass the bar exam. The rest is on-the-job training. Pray you get a job, because otherwise you'll be hustling for work like strippers do lap dances.

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