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Okay guys my GPA is a 2.9 and my LSAT score is a 156. I want to try for many law schools in the U.S such as Cooley University, Appalachian, Texas Southern and some other third tier and fourth tier l;aw schools. By any chance do i have a chance to get into these law schools. And do you know of anyone who made it into these law schools with these scores?

Thanks Alot and Good Luck

Why do you want to attend a US law school, rather than a Canadian one? It is difficult to get back into Canada without jumping through a bunch of hoops, and unless you are a citizen, you won't be able to stay in the United States post-graduation unless you have an employer willing to sign for you.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Wake Forest, Elon, or UNC?
« on: March 23, 2010, 07:40:19 PM »
Where does all the hate for Elon come from?  I'm especially skeptical now.  But hey, if elon's numbers are misleading..who's to say UNC and Wake's aren't?  I think I'm going to go with the money.  Elon has professors from some of the top schools in the country. They have offered me way more money, and they seem most willing to aid in the assurance of my success.  I feel like it's crazy to pass this up.  I want to end up working for myself eventually anyway.  I just dont want the debt associated with Wake.  If wake was free..I'd probably go there instead.  Waitlisted at UNC by the way. Elon it is.

How much debt would you graduate with from each of these schools? Are there GPA strings attached to scholarships?

You may want to go solo eventually, but you'll want to find a good job between graduation and going solo that will allow you to pick up the necessary legal skills to run your own shop. Finding a good job will be much easier from established, top-quality schools with many local graduates who will look favorably to your degree.

As others have said, "employed after 9 months" stats are not the be-all and end-all of graduation numbers. What type of job you get matters a lot: better to be clerking or working for a decent firm than stuck doing temporary doc review jobs where you won't gain any useful experience or have the chance to progress.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Hofstra vs. Suffolk
« on: March 23, 2010, 07:33:32 PM »
It is true that Suffolk graduates a ton of folks, they have maybe 1700 students in that school, whom you would be competing against for jobs when you get out. 

In which city are you hoping to get a job after graduation?

On the flip side of this coin, it also means a huge alumni network who might look more favorably at grads.

First of all, once in law school, you're going to be picking classes on three criterias. 1) The professor is a generous grader 2) The subject matter is going to be on the bar exam and 3) I'm actually interested in learning about this stuff.

And yes, that's a ranked list.

LOL. I don't know anyone that has picked a class based on it being on the bar exam. I don't even know what is tested on the bar exam in the state I plan to take yet. That's what Barbri is for.

That said, class selection may give you more things to learn you are interested in, but is probably not of utmost importance. All schools will have interesting classes.

There is no conflicting opinions on the value of LLM degrees. Their value is 0.

Agree, with some exceptions that aren't relevant here. An LLM is especially worthless when earned concurrently with a JD from the same school.

Also, take a word of advice from my Patent law professor. "DO! NOT! TAKE! THE! PATENT! BAR!". His words, not mine.

To state the obvious, if OP wants to do patent prosecution, s/he should probably take the patent bar at some point. ::)

Oh, and generally... this all just comes down to location. Where do you want to go to school, and where do you want to work post-graduation?

Depending on how you define "big law," I don't know if it is a realistic expectation going to any of these schools. The top of the class from these schools will get big law, but the vast majority of students will not. That said...

Each of these schools is fairly regional. From the sounds of it, you seem to want to live in Denver over LA or Boston. If you like the Colorado schools, it makes sense to go to Denver ov Loyola or Suffolk (which are both in cities with more biglaw, but also in cities where there are more higher-ranked schools nearby).

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Florida Coastal AAMPLE Program
« on: March 16, 2010, 04:02:27 PM »
The AAMPLE program from what I gathered is courses pulled from the 2L-3L coursebook. The classes are some of the more difficult courses. I spoke with three individuals who went through the program. Of the three 2 had passed, but all three exclaimed to take and alternate course, (ie) re-take the LSAT. Each of the classes consisted of 27-40 individuals and of them 3-4 successfully completed the course.

Yikes, those are terrible odds. If those numbers are legitimate, I think enrolling in these courses would be a huge mistake. Better to spend the money on some 1-on-1 LSAT tutoring, and put in a ton of hard work improving your score over summer instead.

Also, I don't really think there are 2L/3L courses that are "harder" than any others. This is especially true when it is all graded on a curve, so it doesn't matter how much you understand on an absolute level, it only matters how well you understand the material relative to your classmates.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: touro
« on: March 16, 2010, 03:59:17 PM »
Check out They list a bunch of applicants this year to Touro, some of whom have been accepted.

So, yes, some people have heard back. And LSN will have the dates they applied/were accepted, if you were interested.

Just wear jeans and a t-shirt. If you want to be a bit classier, wear a polo. This is just a school, not a job interview.

I don't understand the point of this post. No one went to more than two of these law schools (transfers), most people only went to one. So how do you expect anyone to properly rank these schools?

(Also, you can only vote for one school, which makes ranking pretty difficult.)

So, in short, your problem is that students are putting too much weight on rankings?

Having rankings simply provides people more information than they would have otherwise. If they misuse that information, it is their own fault, not the rankings' fault.

I agree that some people make poor decisions based on rankings. But rankings also let other people use the information wisely in making an informed decision.

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