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The MPRE is straight black letter law.  I probably overstudied, but I passed the first time. 

Don't take this test too lightly, however, because I know a couple of people who had to take it more than once. 

If you had a rule based PR professor (like I did), I would recommend reading over the barbri long outline a couple of times, and taking all of the practice questions in the back of the book.  Also, make sure you review ALL of your answers, making sure you got questions right for the right reasons, and knowing why you got specific questions wrong. 

I studied for this exam on my lunch breaks during my second year second summer job. I walked out feeling like I failed, because the questions are tricky (not MBE tricky, but still, sometimes had to guess between 2 answers). If you read the barbri outline and work all of the practice questions, you should be in good shape. 

My friends that didn't have a rule based professor for PR also used the PR flashcards in the yellow box.  This gave them rules and hypos.  But be careful with the flashcards--some of the rules have changed slightly since they were printed.  Other than that, a good resource (if you are somewhat familiar with the rules you will be able to spot the inaccurate cards, they are pretty obvious.)

Good luck! 

I agree with the other posters, for the most part.  The best way to bring your grades up is to go see ALL of your profs and talk to them individually about your grades.  That way, you can see what mistakes you made all across the board, and then, see what mistakes you made by professor.  Some things are general, such as doing a lot of applying the law to the facts, and others, such as stating the rule, might be different (depending on the teacher, whether or not the test is open book, etc.) 

If you are at a top 20 school, it is also possible that everyone did well on the exams.  That is one of the drawbacks of going to a top law school--it becomes even harder to distinguish yourself from the rest of the pack.  Law school grades are tricky.  They mean everything right now, but in 5 years, no one will care what grades you made, except in 5-10% of jobs. Put the problem in perspective, but still attack it head on. 

Good luck!

Job Search / Re: State Attorneys Office vs. Paid Small Firm Position
« on: January 17, 2008, 08:49:11 AM »
Do the one that you are most interested in.  As a result, you will perform better and that makes it more likely that you will be able to get references from fellow co-workers. 

But yes, compared to grades, what you do your first summer is insignificant almost.  I have friends who vacationed first summer, clerked second summer, and had jobs after the second summer clerkship.  The second summer is a lot more important than the first.

Job Search / Re: Bad at Interviewing
« on: January 17, 2008, 08:45:22 AM »
I would recommend talking to career services and doing mock interviews with them.  Most law schools offer them.  With good grades, you should land something eventually.  Good luck!

Current Law Students / Re: Family Law is Depressing
« on: December 12, 2005, 09:11:26 PM »
Yay!!  Good to hear that, especially since I'm due to start working in a family law office soon.

I don't think it is depressing.  I have been interning for over 6 months in family law and it is far from depressing.  I had some very "interesting" cases and just being able to help someone is rewarding.

One thing about family law is that you will get a bit of everything from Civpro, contracts (prenups), trial advocacy (hearings), evidence and not to mention family law or community property.  Family law is a good way to get trial experience.

Current Law Students / Re: Family Law is Depressing
« on: December 11, 2005, 08:24:34 PM »
hey, me too!!

I want to practice family law, though.  :)  I know it will be hard, emotionally draining work, but I think in the long run it will be worth it.

I am studying for the final tomorrow.  Its closed book, and our professor expects us to know both national law and Texas law.  :-\

Current Law Students / Re: Evidence final
« on: December 10, 2005, 07:59:03 AM »
This is exactly why I hate closed book exams . . .and I have one on Monday!

My evidence exam was 60 multiple choice questions in 3 hours.  I think it was fair, I think I did okay, but you never know with multiple choice . .  . :-\

First of all, the point isn't that the professor is a male private part because the exam is totally closed book (although I think that's lame enough) - the prof is a male private part becaue he told the students throughout the sememster what would be provided, and students rely on that. Then he changes his mind a week before the exam.  That makes him a serious male private part.  The professor cannot be trusted - so OP has to think about if the prof continues to discuss anything about the exam.

Second of all, JoJo - have you even taken evidence?  It's about applying the Rules of Evidence - not general policies.  It's not Torts.  You have to know the rules and how to apply them.  If hearsay fits within an exception, you have to know the exception.  I could go on about how inane your comment about "arguing against every rule in the book" is, but I don't think anyone will take it seriously anyway.

Third, as to the supposed value of closed book exams.  I think my securities professor put it best: I've been practicing securities law for 30 years, and I always read the law.  Always.  And no client ever calls me and asks: 'I've got a problem, can you help me - but don't read the rules!' 

Current Law Students / Re: Evidence final
« on: December 08, 2005, 10:16:12 AM »
Open book . . .but we don't know what the format is going to be.  I'm a little worried about that.  It is either short answer or multiple choice. Multiple choice I think I could deal with.  But short answer?  Looking at his old exams, 30 short answer questions in 3 hours is a bit much, I think.  Especially when he won't let us do our exam on our laptops.   :-\

Current Law Students / Re: Thinking about dropping out. Looking for advice.
« on: November 22, 2005, 03:44:50 PM »
I'm a 2L right now. Everyone feels like this during the first semester.  Don't drop out. And if you are worried about doing well because of your science major, don't fret.  I have friends who were science majors and did spendidly well first year. Some people who love law school don't always do well . . . its those people that can buckle down and do heavy duty analysis without losing their minds that excel in the law school environment.  Good luck.

Current Law Students / Re: Outlining: Cases and their rulings - HELP!
« on: September 10, 2005, 09:02:55 AM »
The fact analysis is important, but most people get that.  If you have the rule and only fact analysis, then depending on your school you may still only be in the B range.  What will get you up to an A is all of the policy discussions as well as the discussion of the law and the facts.  As for your original question about which rule to use: I use both rules and delineate them as such.  You say that one is the rule before the case, and one is the rule after the case. Typically, a teacher will ask you to only apply the new rule, but some professors (i.e. my property professor) will want you to apply the old rule and the new rule and to tell why the new rule is "better."  When teachers like policy  (as my torts professor and civil procedure professor did the first year) having these different rules in my outline was gold during my open book exams because this is often where they took policy questions. So I had already done the analysis beforehand and was able to answer the question quickly, pick up those points and move on.
Hope this is not too confusing....

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