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Bar Exam Preparation / Re: Working during Bar Study
« on: March 14, 2008, 07:50:21 AM »
I have friends who have JD/MBA combos who get snapped up when they finish. Maybe its the combo, not the MBA itself. 

Anyhow, I am not being picky. Pretty much from January -May and again from September -now, I put in applications EVERYWHERE.  Large firms (even though I knew that was a stretch with my grades), small firms, medium sized firms, government--and, to correct you, I am actually interested in family law.  I would take a family law job before anything, because that is where my interests lie. 

Dallas is flooded not only with SMU grads, but grads of all other Texas law schools, including UT. 

I would still have to disagree with you on the MBA/JD, at least in Dallas.  An MBA in DFW is like gold.  There are so many companies headquartered here. Law jobs in Dallas are hard to come by unless you have years of experience in a particular area.  No experience + flooded market + bad economy = long job search. 

And unemployment and underemployment (or no employment in the legal field) are two totally different things. If you take a job that pays ok, that has nothing to do with law, if you went to law school for the right reasons, there will still be a longing to practice law.  Job dissatisfaction abounds. I know people who have jobs, but hate them because they are not legal jobs.  But you have to do what you have to do to survive.

I'm not answering this question because I have answered it before.  See my prior posts.  The end. 

A law degree is not a ticket to a permanent job.  If you want a ticket to a permanent job, go get an MBA and learn Spanish. Or, get a Masters in Education. 

I apologize if I offended you. It's just surprising that a top tier (or at least near top tier) school graduate AND the only law school's graduate in a big city such as Dallas would have probem finding employment. 

May I ask if you're somewhat picky.....such as you're avoiding say, family law or certain type of law?

I think the unemployment rate among MBAs or at least beginner MBAs is much higher than JDs. 

Bar Exam Preparation / Re: Working during Bar Study
« on: March 13, 2008, 10:12:25 PM »
I'm not answering this question because I have answered it before.  See my prior posts.  The end. 

So many people want to live in a dream world re: job prospects after law school. At the end of the day, getting your first job out of law school is like getting your first job out of undergrad--you don't have any experience, therefore you aren't that marketable to employers. So, it takes awhile for most people to find work.

A law degree is not a ticket to a permanent job.  If you want a ticket to a permanent job, go get an MBA and learn Spanish. Or, get a Masters in Education. 


I graduated in May 2007, and I passed the bar exam the first time in July 2007.

Are you looking for employment in the Dallas area?  If so, and since you went to SMU,if you don't my asking, why do you have such trouble finding employment?

Bar Exam Preparation / Re: Working during Bar Study
« on: March 13, 2008, 09:16:59 PM »

I graduated in May 2007, and I passed the bar exam the first time in July 2007.

Bar Exam Preparation / Re: taking two preps; waste of time?
« on: March 13, 2008, 09:07:09 PM »
I would get the Kaplan PMBR CD's and listen to them right now, if you really feel like you need to study now.

I took both PMBR and BarBri, and there were still things on the bar exam that I didn't feel comfortable with.
However, I do feel like what I did know was accentuated by these courses, and the courses taught strategies for guessing on unknown questions, which I am sure saved me. 

Taking both courses will give you confidence, and you will need it.   

Bar Exam Preparation / Re: Working during Bar Study
« on: March 13, 2008, 08:57:14 PM »
Most people do not.

Working while studying adds additional stress to an already stressful situation.  I knew one person who did this and passed the first time, and she took a lot of bar courses in the state where she ended up practicing.  And she didn't have ANY free time.  ANY.

The short term benefit of working (unless you have to to keep your post graduate job) far outweighs the losses you may incur if you fail.  Most people just say its not worth it and take out one last loan. 

Current Law Students / Re: how to write an opening statement?????
« on: February 25, 2008, 09:17:10 PM »
You definitely need to be persuasive, just not argumentative.

Current Law Students / Re: Completely Discouraged With My Job Search
« on: February 20, 2008, 11:05:36 PM »
From someone who's also seeking employment in this market, any type of legal employment, its competitive. You just have to keep plugging away until you find something.

And the difference between 60 and 40 resumes is not that great, especially if most of them were e-mailed. 

All legal work is hard to come by, whether its making 15.00/hr at a small firm, or big money at a large firm. There is this perception that jobs that don't pay a lot are not competitive.  That's just not the case. The legal market is flooded.  You may have to get a little creative with what you are doing.  Look at some nontraditional jobs.  A good book to get is: What can you do with a law degree? Look at it and see if anything jumps out at you that you might want to pursue. 

Keep trying.  The process is frustrating, but looking for a job after graduation may be even more stressful.  Good luck.

Ok dood it doesnt seem like you really read my post, and the points you did understand you dispute.  Why?  What do I have to gain from lying about my school's average LSAT?  I go to the University of San Diego.  Average LSAT 162.  Look the school's stats up for yourself.

I mass mailed to 60 not 40, so get the number right before you criticize.  Second, I don't need to be slapped on the wrist for whining that I don't have my dream job.  I said in my post that I'm not looking for biglaw, not even midlaw...I'm happy clerking for 15 bucks an hour at a small firm this summer....that's hardly a rose garden.

Anyone else have something to say that's perhaps a bit more helpful/constructive?

Current Law Students / Re: need help/advice
« on: February 20, 2008, 10:59:27 PM »
Anyone can send an e-mail.  Places where you are really interested in working should get snail mail, phone calls, and e-mail.  I have used e-mail more as a follow up tool.  I have e-mailed hundreds of resumes and gotten very few responses--probably about 10 or so. It makes all of the difference in the world when you physically go to a place and drop off an applicaton or resume--in my case, the difference between not knowing and getting an interview.

I think people with good grades probably have better luck with e-mail.  The person that's weeding through all the resumes is probably looking for someone who has high grades, so if your grades aren't on your resume, they probably just toss it to the side anyway. 

If you really want to work this summer, though, don't give up.  A nonprofit or government agency will be happy to have you.  You just have to find the right one.

The e-mail vs. paper debate is pretty settled.  A few traditional firms prefer paper and a few modern firms prefer e-mail.  People have had positive and negative experiences with both.  But for the effort, e-mail gives you more bang for your buck and is generally accepted.

My experience?  I did exclusively e-mail -- did not snail mail a single letter -- and did well. 

Job Search / Re: C student @ T3 ... what do I do?
« on: February 18, 2008, 07:55:18 PM »
Yes, everyone does not want to do biglaw. 

I will say, as I went through a similar experience (except at a bottom tier 1 school) and once I started working in a law office and saw how the law was applied practically, my grades actually came up.  There is something powerful in working and learning at the same time--I think it actually improves your ability to do both well.

That being said, though my grades came up significantly--by the end of 2L I was performing at the class curve or better in almost every class--even got a handful of A's--its hard to dig yourself out of that hole.

I'm not saying that working is a good idea or a bad idea.  But in my case, it helped. I think its best if you find somewhere to work after 1L.  I have friends who work in DA/prosecutors offices that don't have the best grades but they picked up lots of practical experience by working and doing clinics.  I think that's probably the best way to make yourself marketable for a job after graduation.  Good luck.

I think we can assume that gratif isn't hoping for biglaw.  I think it would help us all out a little if we didn't all automatically assume that everyone going to law school wants to go to biglaw.  That said, OP, a lot of this depends on what your hopes are for post-graduation.  The working through school thing is fine if you're going to go work in your dad's firm, but if you're looking to get hired by someone, grades should be a priority.  Someone has to be at the bottom, but that someone doesn't necessarily get a job.  If that's your attitude, law may not be the profession for you.

Southern Methodist / Re: SMU part time scholarships?
« on: February 18, 2008, 07:41:37 PM »
The grade requirements for keeping most scholarships at SMU is a 2.0.  That's a C average.  If you can't keep a C average you probably don't need to be in law school.

$5000 a year at SMU really is nothing, especially for a part time student.  To me, a scholarship is practically worthless until you approach a third of tuition. I say that because school is so expensive that you will probably end up spending that $5K on something else school related anyway.   

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